Grenade Launcher is worse than the Crossbow and needs buffs.

[Hero Unit]

The Grenade Launcher Support Weapon is worse than the Crossbow Primary Weapon.

Crossbow:
Damage/Durability Damage
Projectile - 270/50 AP3
Explosion - 350/350 AP3

Grenade Launcher:
Damage/Durability Damage
Projectile - 20/2 AP2
Explosion - 400/400 AP3

By raw stats alone the Crossbow is clearly superior. The only negative the Crossbow has is the slower RoF, smaller magazine and negligibly lower explosive damage, but this is largely irrelevant when the Crossbow is deleting every non-Tank enemy in the game with ease and it even rewards the player for skillful aim with it's high AP3 projectile damage.

The Crossbow isn't suffering for it's slower rate of fire and the 50 loss of explosive damage is both negligible and easily made up for by the large projectile damage giving the Crossbow more total damage on direct hits.

The Grenade Launcher not only occupies your SW slot, but if you truly want it to shine you need to slave it to the Supply Backpack. Of course people will say:

Originally posted by Status Quo Defenders:

but if you take the Supply Backpack you can spam the GL and you'll get a lot of kills!!!

- You should not have to slave any weapon to the Supply Backpack for it to be "good".
- Crossbow is better than GL and does not require slaving both an additional stratagem slot & backpack for it to function.

Solutions

+ Increase ammo supply by giving it an additional 2 ammo belts

+ Increase damage. Either just give it a direct increase or change it's damage to match frags (Including fragmentation effect) or HE grenades which were recently buffed.

+ Potentially give it programmable ammo so you can choose between frag, HE, incendiary, stun, & gas giving it great utility. This doesn't really make sense though without actually changing out the grenades each time you swap between ammo types so it may not be feasible.

Discuss.

[blankitosonic]

Maybe a 800 damage buff as the normal granade has right now lol
And AP4

[VIRUSOID]

You clearly not used GL as much cuz you forgot the most important advantage - area of effect. Its way supperior that any explosive main and many support weapons. And its RoF allows to rain fire on tunnel breaches and drop pods, completely decimating anything lighter than a tank. Also I would like to see how you delete chargers with crossbow from the front.

[StaunchStache]

It's almost like the Crossbow is overtuned and shouldn't be used as a basline for even more power creep.

[Dakota]

Would be kinda funny if the grenade launcher was firing the HE grenades we have, just one shotting devastators, berzerkers, striders, etc in a big AoE and having AP4 so it even blows up hulks and such. I don't really think it needs to be that strong but it'd be funny.

[Frost Spectre]

GL is excellent crowd clearer, you just have to use few more grenades to wipe a group of enemies. You can even use it to bombard distant enemies.
Bugs, you wipe the majority of them.
Bots, devastators drop like flies.

Only thing it cannot do is hurt heavies or tanks directly, with those you have to have the detonations near their weak spots.

And taking Supply Pack helps GL very much, increasing the number of mags by 3 per supply box, for 15 grenade belts, each 10 grenades for total of 160 when counting one loaded in the GL.

More clearly Crossbow has to be nerfed, it's explosion radius reduced. It is supposed to be direct impact explosive primary, while Eruptor is area of effect primary.

[PVT.Blueberry]

cross bow is what the erupter should of been, big aoe with hard hit that closes holes. now that cbow does everything and has faster rechamber it out shines it considerably.

idk why you compare a primary to a drop in weapon. they are not comparable

[Get Donked On]

Originally posted by PVT.Blueberry:

cross bow is what the erupter should of been, big aoe with hard hit that closes holes. now that cbow does everything and has faster rechamber it out shines it considerably.

idk why you compare a primary to a drop in weapon. they are not comparable

I mean that would make sense if the primary wasnt better at killing mediums than the support weapon with very similar use cases otherwise and less total shots. (45 vs 40)

I think the solution for the GL is a lot simpler just more reserve ammo and maybe programmable ammo in the form of HEDP and regular HE.

current nades appear modeld off irl HE grenades but most militaries use HEDP for a very good reason over HE. also them having no fragments feels kinda dumb even if they insist on keeping the current stats.

[Gibbe]

They could also give the grenade launcher APCR rounds for an ammo type so you could get AP4 at the cost of losing your crowd control.

[Get Donked On]

Originally posted by roger.exe:

They could also give the grenade launcher APCR rounds for an ammo type so you could get AP4 at the cost of losing your crowd control.

nah APCR would be highly impractical due to recoil or not enough velocity and keep in mind HEDP can already punch trough 40-50mm of steel armor. wich is enough to punch trough most infantry fighting vehicle armor or at least seriously dent it.
wich is about the armor lvls of hulks and chargers have in this game.

[Gibbe]

Originally posted by Get Donked On:

Originally posted by roger.exe:

They could also give the grenade launcher APCR rounds for an ammo type so you could get AP4 at the cost of losing your crowd control.

nah APCR would be highly impractical and keep in mind HEDP can already punch trough 40-50mm of steel armor. wich is enough to punch trough most infantry fighting vehicle armor or at least seriously dent it.
wich is about the armor lvls of hulks and chargers have in this game.

Yeah actually better idea.

[Koala 4peace]

The GL is meant to saturate areas; the Xbow still requires accuracy. The crossbow may have better damage numbers, but in practice it does not have even a quarter of the destructive power of the GL. And i use both weapons a lot, so i know what i'm talking about.

Seriously, the grenade launcher needs the same buffs as the autocannon, which is none.

[Anticitizen 1]

I haven't used Crossbow since it came out because it was trash then. I may need to give it another crack.

[Anticitizen 1]

Originally posted by Hero Unit:

Originally posted by Anticitizen 1:

I haven't used Crossbow since it came out because it was trash then. I may need to give it another crack.

You will not be disappointed. S tier vs bots and bugs. If taking it vs bugs, make sure you take something for chaff getting in your face. Best options are the Stalwart, MG, or most Pistols.

Does it take out bot fabs?

[Anticitizen 1]

Originally posted by Hero Unit:

Originally posted by Anticitizen 1:

Does it take out bot fabs?

In the exhaust ports, yes. Anywhere else, no. Aim low in the port and it's a 1hk.

Nice

[Nut]

Originally posted by Hero Unit:

Originally posted by Anticitizen 1:

I haven't used Crossbow since it came out because it was trash then. I may need to give it another crack.

You will not be disappointed. S tier vs bots and bugs. If taking it vs bugs, make sure you take something for chaff getting in your face. Best options are the Stalwart, MG, or most Pistols.

Hey Hero Unit what's your thoughts on the stalwart?