A game for everyone is a game for no one

[Hon]

ahahahaha

[Thook]

playstyles possibly dont work well together but only if the person playing can only play that play style, for instance in overwatch you got different playstyles, you could have a widow sniper that looks thur a tiny hole with little line of sight, but when someone whos very good at rushing and positioning plays her they can good much better bc they understand both styles better and where to possibly be better without being to far back. in gears of war you have modes, tdm and king. in king (control now) you gotta get in that b and control the area, but tdm is more of a power weapon map control where you can back up the entire game and play reactively vs the must push objective modes. great players can do both but at the average level its always one or the other it seems. but id say teamwork in team games is always the deciding factor either way along with just good game sense and mechanical skill of coarse. if you understand what your teams kit can do you can coordinate them to work great together, i always say pay attention to your team just as much as the enemys and pressure creates opportunity

[MagikarpMagi]

Diposting pertama kali oleh mf tom:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Koala 4peace:

With all due respect, but until OP clarify their stance, it's far more simple to think that they refer to the game balance and difficulty.

At least for a gamer, since this is a videogames forum.


Dude, take it easy! No need to be this emotional.

Clarify their stance? This isn't OPcs stance. This is the motto that is on the front page of ArrowHeads website.

I think they are asking what context OP is presenting it in. Considering there have been more than a couple threads which have co-opted this motto to start a discussion related to identity politics, it's a fair ask.

[Least Shaman]

Diposting pertama kali oleh notimpressive:

That must be why no one plays chess, soccer, cards. etc. Or why the Nintendo Switch is one of the worse selling consoles of all time. /s

The most popular games/sports on earth tend to be the most accessible. so I think you might be confusing your own biases for an objective truth.

Bad argument. What about quadriplegics?

[Koala 4peace]

Diposting pertama kali oleh mf tom:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Koala 4peace:

With all due respect, but until OP clarify their stance, it's far more simple to think that they refer to the game balance and difficulty.

At least for a gamer, since this is a videogames forum.


Dude, take it easy! No need to be this emotional.

Clarify their stance? This isn't OPcs stance. This is the motto that is on the front page of ArrowHeads website.

Didn't know that. Hilarious, but...

Diposting pertama kali oleh CritMasterFlex:

I think they are asking what context OP is presenting it in. Considering there have been more than a couple threads which have co-opted this motto to start a discussion related to identity politics, it's a fair ask.

... the point stands. Either OP clarify, or by default this is about game balance. Which is also the context that AH seem to use.

[MagikarpMagi]

Diposting pertama kali oleh 2nd Admiral Frost, "Bile's Bane":

Diposting pertama kali oleh notimpressive:

That must be why no one plays chess, soccer, cards. etc. Or why the Nintendo Switch is one of the worse selling consoles of all time. /s

The most popular games/sports on earth tend to be the most accessible. so I think you might be confusing your own biases for an objective truth.

Bad argument. What about quadriplegics?

"how do quadriplegics play video games" is a good Google search to get started.
But there aren't that many of them anyways. If 0 quads played the most popular games in the world, they would still be the most popular games in the world.

[Wulfen]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Gargle:

Diposting pertama kali oleh KarlThorsten89:

It depends really on the type of game, notimpressive.
Some games are designed to allow everyone to enjoy them, if they so wish, but isn't forced, not mandatory, it's choice.

What he means here is when a game is made with forced inclusivity quotas, being woke or something - when it's deliberately and repeatedly nagged about being SPECIFICALLY FOR EVERYONE, to apply to every audience at once, not just one - then it really is a game for no-one, because such a broad, enforced targeting focus doesn't give ANYONE any serious focus.

Making games the most accessible is different from "EVERYONE *MUST* BE INCLUDED, YOU MUST ACCEPT THE INCLUSION! Except race or gender or ideology X Y Z, those must be banned from everything. including being alive." Which is what activists and woke extremists are all for - which in the end results in almost no-one wanting to be part of it - but sometimes they're forced to be part of it, at some level, because they won't leave others the hell alone.

Helldivers 2 became Wokedivers 2. Inclusivity enforcement, pride, LGBTQ, all that stuff is pretty much MANDATED. And such extreme behaviour and madness drives people away more than attract others. It does attract attention, because dozens of YouTube channels and many streamers cover this ongoing HELL, but a lot of players have quit permanently for varying reasons.

Arrowhead and Sony went off the deep end and into a free fall, of sorts. Most people don't want to follow them down into that free fall - because eventually, you'll hit the ground at terminal velocity and die from the impact.
Or in an online sense - your game, industry and company crashes and never recovers.

There, I just went off my own deep end to overexplain it. Is that better?

So many words just to say nothing.

What exactly about "Wokedivers 2" is woke and how exactly did this wokeness drive players away. Be specific.

Don't ask people to explain what woke is. It's just a buzzword they regurgitate to show their distaste for anything. They have no idea what it means

[ReBootXD]

I cast revivify on the dead thread

[Queltis]

Diposting pertama kali oleh A-10 Warthog:

ahahahaha

Everyone that quotes this as some kind of "gotcha" fundamentally misunderstands the meaning and intent behind the statement. It is a reference to attempts to bloat a game with mutually exclusive and/or badly connected game play loops in an effort to appeal to a broader base of players to such an extent that it ultimately harms the overall quality of the game.

It has nothing to do with explicitly rejecting people for their fundamental characteristics to appease a minority mob of self-declared gatekeepers.