Need better medium pen primary options

[Inardesco]

Face it,

The only medium pen weapon worth taking is dominator, maybe the slugger (though it was nerfed to hell).

Lib pen? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ atrocious compared to even the basic liberator.
Adjudicator? Recoil so bad it just makes no sense.
Diligence counter sniper? I suppose its good, if you have good aim, I don't, cuz I suck, so using that logic, the sniper sucks. Also, its just over half the damage of the Dominator.
Slugger? Okay-ish, used to be a boatload better when it could still stagger people...
X-bow? Bought it, never used it, seems underwhelming.
Domanitor
Eruptor? Nerfed to hell. On paper it looks good, but the explosion is so tiny it can just about kill a single warrior and maybe the little bugger next to it.
Plasma punisher? Never used it, see no one using it...
Plas purifier? Never used it, see no one using it...

Lib Pen; Either up the damage and keep the same rounds in magazine, or up the magazine size and keep the same damage.
Adjudicator; Reduce the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ recoil
Counter sniper; Okay-ish I guess. Perhaps a damage improvement to make it more in line with the slugger. Like 200 or so. Reduce mag count to 10 to compensate.
Slugger; give back the stagger. Damage is fine...Just give the dam stagger back to it.
X-bow; don't know, don't care
Dominator Actually the best balanced medium pen weapon there is. Wieldy as ♥♥♥♥ but you know it'll deliver when its pointing at the enemy.
Eruptor; shrapnel, nough said. I don't see why thats such a difficult fix, just reduce the number of shrapnel if it's supposedly hits for 9k damage
Plasma punisher; don't know, don't care
Plas purifief; don't know, don't care

[Straven]

Only med pen weapon I've got I trust to work as it does and like is the revolver after they boosted its reload. Others I've got aren't worth squat.

[Husker_85]

Scorcher: Am I a joke to you?

[Inardesco]

Originally posted by Isaac_Clark:

Scorcher: Am I a joke to you?

Scorcher shows as light pen in the armory.

But, from my time using it, it needs more ammo. You burn through whatever it has in like...5 minutes.

Never needed ammo as much as I did when I used that gun. Not even in a map filled with hunters while using incendiary breaker.

Originally posted by Straven:

Only med pen weapon I've got I trust to work as it does and like is the revolver after they boosted its reload. Others I've got aren't worth squat.

That just makes the primary med pen weapons look even more like a joke. 175 damage for a revolver? While the main assault weapon does 45 per shot? Like wth

[Husker_85]

Originally posted by Inardesco:

Scorcher shows as light pen in the armory.

But, from my time using it, it needs more ammo. You burn through whatever it has in like...5 minutes.

Never needed ammo as much as I did when I used that gun. Not even in a map filled with hunters while using incendiary breaker.

That's true. Since I started maining it I've been having to bring Hellpod Optimization on every drop. And I often have to search for ammo lying around. The game is lying to you about it's armor pen though. 5 shots to the face of a hive-guard or bile spewer and they go down, though the game will still lie to you and show you a deflect icon. It's the splash that goes through.

[Inardesco]

Originally posted by Isaac_Clark:

Originally posted by Inardesco:

Scorcher shows as light pen in the armory.

But, from my time using it, it needs more ammo. You burn through whatever it has in like...5 minutes.

Never needed ammo as much as I did when I used that gun. Not even in a map filled with hunters while using incendiary breaker.

That's true. Since I started maining it I've been having to bring Hellpod Optimization on every drop. And I often have to search for ammo lying around. The game is lying to you about it's armor pen though. 5 shots to the face of a hive-guard or bile spewer and they go down, though the game will still lie to you and show you a deflect icon. It's the splash that goes through.

The round is light pen, but the explosion ignores med armour.

So only the explosion will do damage but the round will not.

I saw some reddit post that showed how disgustingly set up damage and armour is in this game and why something on paper looks good, but is bad in practice, and why the balancing is so far off what it could be, they made it too complex for their own good.

[Koala 4peace]

Originally posted by Inardesco:

Originally posted by Isaac_Clark:

That's true. Since I started maining it I've been having to bring Hellpod Optimization on every drop. And I often have to search for ammo lying around. The game is lying to you about it's armor pen though. 5 shots to the face of a hive-guard or bile spewer and they go down, though the game will still lie to you and show you a deflect icon. It's the splash that goes through.

The round is light pen, but the explosion ignores med armour.

So only the explosion will do damage but the round will not.

I saw some reddit post that showed how disgustingly set up damage and armour is in this game and why something on paper looks good, but is bad in practice, and why the balancing is so far off what it could be, they made it too complex for their own good.

They need to give more info about everything, seriously. Most i know about weapons and strats are because of the wiki or this forum. Even using them give an inaccurate picture, unless you have hundreds of drops with each weapon.

[Prowler™]

Funny because only the lib pen is a bad weapon, it is infact so bad its just about the worst primary you could possibly take lol
Slug shotgun is great, sorry it doesnt stagger 100% on every shot now, which was busted.
Adjudicator is actually fine if you take recoil armour.
Then again, you could stop having skill issues and use the MG43...the best primary weapon in the game.

[Inardesco]

Originally posted by Prowler™:

Slug shotgun is great, sorry it doesnt stagger 100% on every shot now, which was busted.

So...Slugger, shooting a big slug, staggering is busted, yet the Punisher, which is light pen and fires buckshot and does stagger, isn't busted? How exactly?

Originally posted by Prowler™:

Adjudicator is actually fine if you take recoil armour.

And give up on my grenades? Nah

Originally posted by Prowler™:

Then again, you could stop having skill issues and use the MG43...the best primary weapon in the game.

Yeah...Lets waste a stratagem slot on a weapon that can't deal with the heaviest enemies in the game

[Logen Neuf-Doigts]

diligence cs is a fantastic gun against bots , i would suggest learning how to use it
adjucator is pretty good is 2 / 3 round bursts , aginst bugs or bots , crouch when firing and fight the urge to hold LMB
x bow is a good utility weapon , closes holes and fabricators , staggers a lot , clears chaff pretty good too if you have the high ground
eruptor bullies bots , only primary who can 1 shot strider on front plate , stuns devastators, 2 shot them on body and closes fabricators
plasma punisher is one of the best primaries for bots , staggers everything , can kill tanks from front thanks to the drop and the aoe , if you lob it on the heatsink

[=Duke=]

Originally posted by Inardesco:

Originally posted by Isaac_Clark:

Scorcher: Am I a joke to you?

Scorcher shows as light pen in the armory.

But, from my time using it, it needs more ammo. You burn through whatever it has in like...5 minutes.

Never needed ammo as much as I did when I used that gun. Not even in a map filled with hunters while using incendiary breaker.

Originally posted by Straven:

Only med pen weapon I've got I trust to work as it does and like is the revolver after they boosted its reload. Others I've got aren't worth squat.

That just makes the primary med pen weapons look even more like a joke. 175 damage for a revolver? While the main assault weapon does 45 per shot? Like wth

Scorcher is a DMR so unless you're landing weakpoint shots it's not going to work as well. Magazine does suck but maybe in 2 years when they release weapon attachments we can extend the mag.

[=Duke=]

It seems like they're dead set on medium armor requiring a stratagem calldown weapon to tackle. But then if those weapons cant take down AT they just become mid-tier weapons.

[Husker_85]

Originally posted by =LeDuke=:

Scorcher is a DMR so unless you're landing weakpoint shots it's not going to work as well. Magazine does suck but maybe in 2 years when they release weapon attachments we can extend the mag.

I guess you're not using it against bugs. You can spam it at any enemy including hive guards without a worry. Against bile spewers it actually kills in fewer shots if you target the body than the head.

[Aethrys]

Adjudicator actually slaps, especially after mag buff.

[Explodium]

For the adjudicator they need to do something about the 1-damage drop-off, so it can 1-shot bug chaff. It would feel so much better then.

[Wutever]

Originally posted by Explodium:

For the adjudicator they need to do something about the 1-damage drop-off, so it can 1-shot bug chaff. It would feel so much better then.

Only thing this affects is regular Scavengers, assuming you aren't moving forward and don't hit a weakspot. It definitely needs to be looked into, but it's not making the gun be bad or feel bad.