Petition on Change.org - Gameguard should be removed or replaced by the devs

[Oakatusz]

I wanted to let everyone know, that user Twisted Kindness started a petition on Change.org to inspire the developers to remove this dangerous Gameguard from Helldivers II.

If you have a moment, please sign it here and share it with your fellow gamers so they sign it too:

https://www.change.org/p/revoke-kernel-level-anti-cheat-in-helldivers-2-for-enhanced-device-safety

If you want to learn more about the plethora of issues this malicious software causes for players of Helldivers II, more info can be found here:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/553850/discussions/2/4206994023681304166/

[Snowfox]

Originally posted by Krowle:

Originally posted by Snowfox:

For me personally, it was previous bad experience with the software that's keeping me from wanting to use it again. It's why I'm very curious how many of the posts people are making about issues are nprotect related, because a decent chunk of them are similar to the experiences I've had.

Can you describe what was your bad experience with it? I may have some insight knowledge a work around or know how to fix it. You can ignore all those copy paste misleading info that trying to scare people off.

Not only they don't know what they're talking. They won't give you any solution of how to fix it or provide a workaround. The only advise they will give you is "be afraid, don't use it" and circle around without giving you any useful solution to work with.

When you try forcing or giving them a solid argument, they will just run around copy paste replying with someone else issue and make the same claim over and over again without providing any useful info at all. Especially, ignoring your giving input and let it bury with their thread spam. So that less people can actually see it. Very typical behavior.

Thank you for the offer, it's no longer an issue now since I've long since removed the software (I've been on a new computer since then as well). But, to answer your question, I saw an increase in blue screening, and it would false-flag some of my software (including software for peripherals). I'm hesitant to add this to the list? But I want to say I had some issues with my CPU as well? But I might be confusing that with a different situation where my CPU was crapping out, so I'll mention it, but it's a grain of salt type of issue.

That's why I was posting curiosity earlier about the types of complaints that were popping up, because they followed the same patterns I recognized from having issues with the software myself. Could be something else entirely? It was more of a "Huh." Kind of moment for me.

More or less, I do more with my computer than just gaming these days and I'm staying on the cautious side. I'm more or less just adding to the noise in hopes that one day they'll swap to something else. Slim chance, I'm aware. Doesn't hurt regardless.

[Doson・ザ・ロリ好き紳士]

Gameguard is a scam business. Probably a front for money laundering or something. It's the worst anticheat there is because it does literally nothing. I used to play Blade and Soul which had it, and I have never seen a game more riddled with cheaters, even famous teleporting cheaters that the whole community knew and went unbanned for months.

A gameguard update would come out every couple weeks and it would be bypassed in a few hours each time. The game performed better when they removed it, and performed worse again after they added it back. It also falsely banned legitimate players using certain mouse software. Many non-cheaters people just bypassed it just to improve their experience, and they never got banned of course, because gameguard does nothing.

[vishuspuss]

Originally posted by Krowle:

Originally posted by vishuspuss:

just cant believe there are so many people complaining and noone can do the logical thing and use windows event viewer to see exactly what the problem is

maybe they did and realized it was some dumb software they had installed idk.

Nah, I'm sure that most of them have load of Baidu, registry cleaner & optimizer software, Total PC protection thingy and other bloated of bundle junkware installed. pre-install with oem, self-install, etc.

They don't even known that those thing can break their PC setting at some point. or by following some random junk PC influencer guide from some website or some junk software suggestion.

Run a Gameguard, BAM, Nuclear launch detected.

"but its overclocked to max!"

[Riffy]

wait did they ban op for posting this?

[Krowle]

Originally posted by Snowfox:

Thank you for the offer, it's no longer an issue now since I've long since removed the software (I've been on a new computer since then as well). But, to answer your question, I saw an increase in blue screening, and it would false-flag some of my software (including software for peripherals). I'm hesitant to add this to the list? But I want to say I had some issues with my CPU as well? But I might be confusing that with a different situation where my CPU was crapping out, so I'll mention it, but it's a grain of salt type of issue.

That's why I was posting curiosity earlier about the types of complaints that were popping up, because they followed the same patterns I recognized from having issues with the software myself. Could be something else entirely? It was more of a "Huh." Kind of moment for me.

More or less, I do more with my computer than just gaming these days and I'm staying on the cautious side. I'm more or less just adding to the noise in hopes that one day they'll swap to something else. Slim chance, I'm aware. Doesn't hurt regardless.

About the CPU, surely not. because all it does is just a watch dog sitting and monitoring your "running" game process. it load is even less than a quick scanning anti-virus.

If I am to describe its step a bit
when you launch the game, gameguard will run a check for any blacklisting software, if it is found something that is not ok, the game will be refuse to launch.

After you launch the game, it will stay monitoring mainly the game process protecting it. When something fishy is going on to the game running process, it will force close the program or game to prevent a possible data theft.
Its feature can also be "modify" to monitor a packet being send from client to server whether it is spamming in an unusual than normal packet which can catch a speed hack player by from watching the client to server side log later. etc

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About your working software. Yeah, that is another story. If any of them is in a blacklist the game won't be able to launch at all. And no, it won't delete or uninstall your working program just because it is blacklist.

But BSOD is another thing. It is needed two way communication and co-op between the user and the software provider to help producing a fix. ONLY if it is cause by a fault in programming code, that is. It is needed your PC working software provider to produce a patch to update their software. And you need to help them out.

And by this helping hand from user around the globe, Gameguard have been out for above 10years of existence. It has been globally receiving update and working with whitelisting software that is safe for a decade. Mainly in Asia country. So it is pretty much solid in term of stability for those PC in Asia region. As it has been gathered log and crash dump from those installed software PC environment in those region.
All known and high brand profile product Mostly have been dealt with, and regularly receiving update frequently at this point.

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You can try to opt using 2hr Steam refund policy.
If your system is bork and unacceptable. Gameguard will bite you very quickly which is absolutely within 2 hours period. Of which, you can refund it immediately.
As long as you're not using a company PC or playing a PC in a world bank network. You're fine to test and play it.

[Krowle]

Originally posted by vishuspuss:

Originally posted by Krowle:

Nah, I'm sure that most of them have load of Baidu, registry cleaner & optimizer software, Total PC protection thingy and other bloated of bundle junkware installed. pre-install with oem, self-install, etc.

They don't even known that those thing can break their PC setting at some point. or by following some random junk PC influencer guide from some website or some junk software suggestion.

Run a Gameguard, BAM, Nuclear launch detected.

"but its overclocked to max!"

Oh right... Bad configurate PC. also cheap ram that have compatibility issue, and so out date or never update BIOS firmware that have a fix for their symptom, . AND Many many more.

[Krowle]

Originally posted by Doson・ザ・ロリ好き紳士:

Gameguard is a scam business. Probably a front for money laundering or something. It's the worst anticheat there is because it does literally nothing. I used to play Blade and Soul which had it, and I have never seen a game more riddled with cheaters, even famous teleporting cheaters that the whole community knew and went unbanned for months.

A gameguard update would come out every couple weeks and it would be bypassed in a few hours each time. The game performed better when they removed it, and performed worse again after they added it back. It also falsely banned legitimate players using certain mouse software. Many non-cheaters people just bypassed it just to improve their experience, and they never got banned of course, because gameguard does nothing.

I used to play from oversea and try playing BnS on official Chinese server. I don't remember having a experienced of bad performance cause by a Gameguard. Have paid for VIP years service. I stop playing it after reaching a spider nest because of losing interest and it need too much grind that I cannot upkeep my other MMO daily task.

Gaming mouse, If you're talking about Lxxxxxc. Yes, it did trigger npro at some point and have been fix later but it only cause an issue for only some of their mouse series. People abusing their Macro cheating the game.
Funny that , later the company admitted that their gaming mouse software is very bad and stop updating it and change it to the new G hub later.

[(:)]

Originally posted by Krowle:

Originally posted by Doson・ザ・ロリ好き紳士:

Gameguard is a scam business. Probably a front for money laundering or something. It's the worst anticheat there is because it does literally nothing. I used to play Blade and Soul which had it, and I have never seen a game more riddled with cheaters, even famous teleporting cheaters that the whole community knew and went unbanned for months.

A gameguard update would come out every couple weeks and it would be bypassed in a few hours each time. The game performed better when they removed it, and performed worse again after they added it back. It also falsely banned legitimate players using certain mouse software. Many non-cheaters people just bypassed it just to improve their experience, and they never got banned of course, because gameguard does nothing.

I used to play from oversea and try playing BnS on official Chinese server. I don't remember having a experienced of bad performance cause by a Gameguard. Have paid for VIP years service. I stop playing it after reaching a spider nest because of losing interest and it need too much grind that I cannot upkeep my other MMO daily task.

Gaming mouse, If you're talking about Lxxxxxc. Yes, it did trigger npro at some point and have been fix later but it only cause an issue for only some of their mouse series. People abusing their Macro cheating the game.
Funny that , later the company admitted that their gaming mouse software is very bad and stop updating it and change it to the new G hub later.

"but I never had a problem" ah love that logic, just say you dont like the fact people found out how bad the anti-cheat is simple as b/c it looks like you are in love with it and will blame the user that was forced to get it rather than the dev that put it in wrong typical

[XDeathxReconX]

Originally posted by Oakatusz:

Originally posted by Sharkle_Bunwich²:

"This vulnerability has been modified since it was last analyzed by the NVD. It is awaiting reanalysis which may result in further changes to the information provided."

Thanks for proving my point that it's outdated, rofl.

Sure sure. Everyone can read for themselves. It is not updated since 2005 and after that time there were several problems with this anti-cheat.

It is so bad, that even Maplestory out of all games replaced it.

But sure, you can continue to live in denial and give us jesters just for telling the truth.

Everyone else can read the documented evidence in the main thread I linked in the OP.

"after that time" was still almost 20 years ago lol. It's fine, go back to researching the structural integrity of the twin towers

[Nebi]

A friend of mine with a 7900 XT card plays the tutorial and then instantly crashes the entire system. Can it be his Bitdefender? Or maybe because he plays with a PS5 controller? Can it be the VPN? It's incredibly frustrating that you need to use your own PC with the software they want you to run because they want kernel access..
I think the Easytocheat solution this game has ♥♥♥♥♥ up the entire system.
Why implement and waste money on that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ if cheaters will always, always find a way? It's like the losers of Warner and Disney trying to fight piracy

[(:)]

Originally posted by XDeathxReconX:

Originally posted by Oakatusz:

Sure sure. Everyone can read for themselves. It is not updated since 2005 and after that time there were several problems with this anti-cheat.

It is so bad, that even Maplestory out of all games replaced it.

But sure, you can continue to live in denial and give us jesters just for telling the truth.

Everyone else can read the documented evidence in the main thread I linked in the OP.

"after that time" was still almost 20 years ago lol. It's fine, go back to researching the structural integrity of the twin towers

and? once a hack like that happens its only a matter of time till it happens once more I can tell you have no real tech experience, also the anti-cheat itself is bad cheaters got in on day 3 and even maybe day 1 people want it off b/c its just a risk at this point if it cant stop cheaters then get a new one without a history of being broken with problems even in the current

[Payload 0-1]

Shocker OP is banned after 3 days. Only cheaters want the anti-cheat changed.

[(:)]

Originally posted by Frickin Dagoth Ur:

Shocker OP is banned after 3 days. Only cheaters want the anti-cheat changed.

no people that understand what it risks do but keep copeing so you can ignore facts you dont like and also shocker a hacker got in on day 3 I dont need it removed hacks are out lol

[Krowle]

Originally posted by (:):

"but I never had a problem" ah love that logic, just say you dont like the fact people found out how bad the anti-cheat is simple as b/c it looks like you are in love with it and will blame the user that was forced to get it rather than the dev that put it in wrong typical

Oh look, some kid still not going to bed lurking around skipping their school.

Go cherry pick reading elsewhere kid. Switch to other Anti-cheat? Don't make me laugh. lol.

Thanks Gameguard, for blacklisting Proxifier.
By using proxifier and hook it to the game process can dump all ip address who have you been contact with.
Knowing those IP is the beginning of such any cyber attack.
Well well, this game also using peer-2-peer connection as well.

Switch to other anti-cheat and lose this security layer? Don't make me laugh.

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Sure you're trying to blaming me something from your empty word. Let me told you that what was happened during those situation that Loli suki is claiming. Dev releasing an update to their engine and content update which increase more demand to PC resource, then later release some optimize update to their game reducing the load. Loop.

So what would it be for a person with strong setup and stable PC? They feels nothing.
Try Harder. Kid.

[(:)]

Originally posted by Krowle:

Originally posted by (:):

"but I never had a problem" ah love that logic, just say you dont like the fact people found out how bad the anti-cheat is simple as b/c it looks like you are in love with it and will blame the user that was forced to get it rather than the dev that put it in wrong typical

Oh look, some kid still not going to bed lurking around skipping their school.

Go cherry pick reading elsewhere kid. Switch to other Anti-cheat? Don't make me laugh. lol.

Thanks Gameguard, for blacklisting Proxifier.
By using proxifier and hook it to the game process can dump all ip address who have you been contact with.
Knowing those IP is the beginning of such any cyber attack.
Well well, this game also using peer-2-peer connection as well.

Switch to other anti-cheat and lose this security layer? Don't make me laugh.

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Sure you're trying to blaming me something from your empty word. Let me told you that what was happened during those situation that Loli suki is claiming. Dev releasing an update to their engine and content update which increase more demand to PC resource, then later release some optimize update to their game reducing the load. Loop.

So what would it be for a person with strong setup and stable PC? They feels nothing.
Try Harder. Kid.

Oh look, some kid still not going to bed lurking around skipping their school.

Go cherry pick reading elsewhere kid.