HD2 going woke?

[killzone]

im hearing rumblings about this going to be woke this better not be the case if it does then people will leave i sure as hell will if it does

[Pronnu]

Originally posted by Gargle:

Originally posted by Prinny:

Yeah. It's very easy to teamkill and make it look like an accident. If they're gonna wait until extraction to kick people, why not just make sure to zap someone everytime they fight the charger? Why not throw grenades at the feet of teammates that are being swarmed by bugs? How are you gonna prove it was done intentionally? Your entire thought process boils down to simply making it against the rules to friendly fire anyone wearing an LGBT cape. That's going to kill the game.

Because if you're going to teamkill a specific group of people in a way where nobody can tell you're even doing it to that specific group of people, they aren't going to think you are trolling LGBT players. They are going to think you are just a bad player and probably kick you. And there are going to be so few of you who actually care enough to bother doing this compared to normal people that actually being affected by it in and capacity will be a once in a blue-moon event.

And if you cut the subtlety and actually to make even a remotely significant impact you will stick out like a sore thumb. Your options are either to waste what time you have left on this Earth trying to be a longterm master rusesmith trolling people so softly they don't even feel it and ultimately having an impact so small it may as well not exist, or just go hog-wild and probably affect like a 2 digit number of people out of hundreds of thousands before getting banned and having your money wasted.

You could also take the secret third option, which is to get over it and go back to being miserable desperately trying to not get bamboozled into playing another woke game.

I'm just saying that there's more than one way to skin a cat. People will find ways to grief and they don't need to make it obvious to do so. They just need to make everyone have a miserable time.

But don't worry about me. I don't grief, or troll, because I want this game and it's community to thrive.

[Holden Bloodfeast]

Originally posted by Varukaii:

Woke is actually defined like this :
Modern left/liberal culture created by algorithms on social media.
Woke is caracterized by cultlike adherence to rapidly changing ideological foundations rooted in various leftist theories.
Basically, social zombism.

Of course you won't find this definition anywhere because obviously no one that is "woke" will admit to it.

Are you sure you don't find that definition anywhere because your lot made it up and starting throwing at anything you even remotely disagree with to the point where you had people calling even things like Elden Ring woke?

[Pronnu]

Originally posted by Varukaii:

Originally posted by asura:

You're just flat wrong.
"Woke" isn't real. It's a forced false dichotomy to agitate. There is no such thing. When you walk into a room and shout "WOKE", pretty much regardless of where you are, it's signalling you are not there to be civil.

"Woke" is not a side. "Woke" is pretty much always an insult. There is no such thing.

It's very sad to see someone believe that this is actually some inherent thing and not something that was packaged and sold to them.

Regardless of how many words you decorate your decision to shoehorn your whole personality into the product of being "anti-woke" it won't matter. You've chosen to stamp that label on your forehead because you think it's cool counter culture when it really isn't.

I appreciate that you have done your best here.

Woke is actually defined like this :
Modern left/liberal culture created by algorithms on social media.
Woke is caracterized by cultlike adherence to rapidly changing ideological foundations rooted in various leftist theories.
Basically, social zombism.

Of course you won't find this definition anywhere because obviously no one that is "woke" will admit to it.

I define it as a combination of Social Justice Intersectional leftism mixed with Bio-Leninist Socialism.
The Tyranny of the Bottom. Harrison Bergeron's worst nightmare made real.

[Netaris]

Anyway, I will not participate to this nonsense. From my point of view it's american's problems, not mine.

[asura]

Originally posted by Resist:

Well, saying "is the game going woke" isn't a charged question, intentionally asked in a language to upset people, or whatever you said. It's just a question :D .

Well, see... it's not.
If I throw your door open and demand to know if you're an uneducated gamer crapposting to steam forums.... that's not "just a question" and would (and should) be treated as aggressive. It would have an intent of being insulting.

Here's an actual equivalent:
Hey Arrow Head, are you going to add lgbt capes?
Hey Arrow Head, is the game going to bring attention and awareness to social injustices?

Jumping into a discord and using loaded language that the other hundred trolls already lead with.... obvious outcome. You caused that.

[shogunsmurf]

Originally posted by Varukaii:

Originally posted by shogunsmurf:

No they don't, it was a personal Twitter statement and if you Americans would take a moment to learn EU law and realize Arrowhead is Swedish and subject to that, you'd realize you are demanding them to take illegal actions.

In the EU it's ILLEGAL TO CHECK A EMPLOYEES PERSONAL SOCIAL MEDIA, let alone punish them for it. Why do you think cancle culture is a American thing and you never hear about it in the EU ?

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ i'm so tired of morons spewing out idiocy and trying to politicize my hobbies, GTFO.

https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/1777516428134170888

You do realize Grummz is a salty failed industry guy ? What legal qualification does he have btw ? O right none..... He has 2 failed bussiness under his name which he kickstarted for failing to deliver, left Warcraft team before release, he's a typical scammer of Gamers, but because he now says something you like you're willing to get on his D ?

https://www.efdpo.eu/is-it-legal-to-monitor-the-employees-social-network-profile/

I'd rather trust you know... a EU legal organization.

So lets see, the screenshot you provided ? no mention of it being a company account thus considered a private one, thus falls under privacy protection.

Next to that, Europeans tend to unlike American, find it vile and disgusting to try get someone fired for personal believes.

Either you have direct proof their personal believes are interfering with their work and start legal precedings, or you STFU.

[Holden Bloodfeast]

Originally posted by Prinny:

I'm just saying that there's more than one way to skin a cat. People will find ways to grief and they don't need to make it obvious to do so. They just need to make everyone have a miserable time.

But don't worry about me. I don't grief, or troll, because I want this game and it's community to thrive.

If skinning a cat in this instance means griefing the LGBT in any meaningful way that is greater than infinitesimal by teamkilling in the videogame known as Helldivers 2 then I'm afraid there is no successful way to skin a cat.

[Pronnu]

Originally posted by Netaris:

Anyway, I will not participate to this nonsense. From my point of view it's american's problems, not mine.

Goodbye, have a beautiful time!
Or as they say in Paris, “السلام عليكم ورحمة الله”

[Resist]

Originally posted by asura:

Originally posted by Resist:

Well, saying "is the game going woke" isn't a charged question, intentionally asked in a language to upset people, or whatever you said. It's just a question :D .

Well, see... it's not.
If I throw your door open and demand to know if you're an uneducated gamer crapposting to steam forums.... that's not "just a question" and would (and should) be treated as aggressive. It would have an intent of being insulting.

Here's an actual equivalent:
Hey Arrow Head, are you going to add lgbt capes?
Hey Arrow Head, is the game going to bring attention and awareness to social injustices?

Jumping into a discord and using loaded language that the other hundred trolls already lead with.... obvious outcome. You caused that.

No, you are trying to move the goal post :D . That trap card doesn't work anymore, players aren't idiots. It's just a question that can be answered by simple Yes and No .

[RedWolfofDeath]

The CM is a woke person that needs to be fired as a CM shouldn't be saying racist and sexist things while working for a company. Game should be fine because if they bring out those hate capes, the devs have given us the ability to team kill. So, it becomes a lesson on, "Was it really worth it to get those capes if you can't play the game?". Game universe might be Managed Democracy, but the player base only does the democracy part. The other side thinks it's satirizing fascism, when the game literally says it's all about managed democracy. Weird how they seem to have this hearing problem and yes, managed democracy is a real political ideology and Starship Troopers was more of a military dictatorship then fascist ideology, despite what the director was trying to say what he envisioned as "satirized fascism".

[asura]

Originally posted by Resist:

No, you are trying to move the goal post :D . That trap card doesn't work anymore, players aren't idiots. It's just a question that can be answered by simple Yes and No .

There's no goal post.
Players are most definitely idiots if they think it's normal or "just a question" to make posts like OP starting with "is this woke?"

For the people trying to lead with that question there isn't a "correct" yes or no for anyone.

If they said yes, then the person demanding to know if it's woke will say "THEN I REFUSE TO MONEY I WILL DESTROY STEAM REVIEWS REFUND CONTACT THE PRESIDENT"

If they say no then the person demanding to know if it's woke will say "THEN WE DEMAND MORE CONTENT THROWING IMMIGRANTS OUT OF TEXAS"

The whole thing is a predictable downhill trash fire. It's stupid. It's a loaded question. It won't stop the trolling.

[Holden Bloodfeast]

Originally posted by Resist:

No, you are trying to move the goal post :D . That trap card doesn't work anymore, players aren't idiots. It's just a question that can be answered by simple Yes and No .

The people banning this aren't idiots. They know it's not "just a question" and they know you are just trying to start ♥♥♥♥.

I should know. I got a lot of heat from some of you guys for "just asking questions" but I think you know I wasn't just doing that.

[Resist]

Originally posted by asura:

Originally posted by Resist:

No, you are trying to move the goal post :D . That trap card doesn't work anymore, players aren't idiots. It's just a question that can be answered by simple Yes and No .

There's no goal post.
Players are most definitely idiots if they think it's normal or "just a question" to make posts like OP starting with "is this woke?"

For the people trying to lead with that question there isn't a "correct" yes or no for anyone.

If they said yes, then the person demanding to know if it's woke will say "THEN I REFUSE TO MONEY I WILL DESTROY STEAM REVIEWS REFUND CONTACT THE PRESIDENT"

If they say no then the person demanding to know if it's woke will say "THEN WE DEMAND MORE CONTENT THROWING IMMIGRANTS OUT OF TEXAS"

The whole thing is a predictable downhill trash fire. It's stupid. It's a loaded question. It won't stop the trolling.

You are being silly if you think people who are sick of wokeness are only hardcore Texas gun blazing, beef eating, tabaco chewing red necks. Here is the truth - gamers just want their hobby to be left alone from current day political discussions. We try to escape that crap, not be reminded of it in every single media we enjoy. So no, if the dev says "no, the game is not going woke", the response to it would be "cool, now where is my ARM, I need to gun down some bots".

[Varukaii]

Originally posted by asura:

Originally posted by Varukaii:

Of course you won't find this definition anywhere because obviously no one that is "woke" will admit to it.

You won't find this anywhere else because it's literally made up. There are dictionaries with the word "woke" defined - but not the way you define it because you've been sold a very strange version.

Whom do you think controls what goes into the dictionaries ? Two years ago cambridge changed their definition of a woman and a man to include transpeople.
Quote from https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman :

"an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth:
She was the first trans woman elected to a national office.
Mary is a woman who was assigned male at birth."


It is a narrative that is being pushed by left controlled goverments and the institutions comply.
If you take all your definitions from a quick google search you wont get too far.
Woke is social zombism, look at BLM, everyone was on board and supporting the current thing, as soon as their leaders have been exposed for using donation money to buy mansions for themsleves and jailed, the movement quietly died out and pretty much no one is talking about it anymore, why? Because its not the "next big thing" anymore, when war in ukraine started, everyone took to the streets, now years later? No one cares, because guess what, next big thing is "palestine". Give it a few years and the next will be something else and people will forget about it.

[Holden Bloodfeast]

Originally posted by Varukaii:

Whom do you think controls what goes into the dictionaries ? Two years ago cambridge changed their definition of a woman and a man to include transpeople.
Quote from https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman :

"an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth:
She was the first trans woman elected to a national office.
Mary is a woman who was assigned male at birth."


It is a narrative that is being pushed by left controlled goverments and the institutions comply.
If you take all your definitions from a quick google search you wont get too far.
Woke is social zombism, look at BLM, everyone was on board and supporting the current thing, as soon as their leaders have been exposed for using donation money to buy mansions for themsleves and jailed, the movement quietly died out and pretty much no one is talking about it anymore, why? Because its not the "next big thing" anymore, when war in ukraine started, everyone took to the streets, now years later? No one cares, because guess what, next big thing is "palestine". Give it a few years and the next will be something else and people will forget about it.

Who exactly said the leaders were the leaders of that movement? The leaders? The media?