Fighting Bots: AKA Ragdoll Simulator

[Plagen]

Get struck by a rocket: Ragdoll
Rocket hits a wall near you: Ragdoll
Mortar lands near you: Ragdoll
Hulk shell lands near you: Ragdoll
Tank shoots near you: Ragdoll
Jetpack explodes near you: Ragdoll
Trip over a rock: Ragdoll

Like dang ya'll. It feels like this problem has gotten worse. I went back to bugs after we liberated the West, and I just went back for this MO and I'm getting absolutely bodied by being ragdolled.

Two of my most "bruh" ragdolls:
1) Spawned into mission in-progress and landed near a radio tower thing. Rocket hits the base of it, ragdolling me into the wall against the tower. The rest of the rockets spam into me, killing me instantly.
2) Fighting bots from cover. Rocket hits the ground near me, ragdolling me and flinging me out of cover into swampy terrain. Before I can even recover, more rockets and laser spam kills me instantly.

The only difficulty bots have is that they ragdoll you and then finish you off before you can respond. Almost every death I've had against them is an insta-death where a random rocket ragdolls me and I get killed before I can recover. Even the new booster doesn't help me recover in time.

I'm going back to the bugs. At least there if I get insta-killed it is because I was an idiot and let a Bile Titan or something sneak up on me.

[Automaton Trooper]

HA, cry about it, Helldiver SCUM

[Casval Zem Daikun]

Charger teleports near you? Ragdoll.
Brood Commander goes mach 5 in your general direction? Ragdoll.
Spewer mortar lands within 50m of you? Ragdoll.
Bile Titan moves nearby? Ragdoll.

[Automaton Trooper]

Originally posted by Casval Zem Daikun:

Charger teleports near you? Ragdoll.
Brood Commander goes mach 5 in your general direction? Ragdoll.
Spewer mortar lands within 50m of you? Ragdoll.
Bile Titan moves nearby? Ragdoll.

Don't forget the Stalker's tounge shove.

[Plagen]

Originally posted by Casval Zem Daikun:

Charger teleports near you? Ragdoll.
Brood Commander goes mach 5 in your general direction? Ragdoll.
Spewer mortar lands within 50m of you? Ragdoll.
Bile Titan moves nearby? Ragdoll.

Counter Point:
Charger: Huge, obvious creature > Side step it
Brood Commander: Large, obvious creature > Side step it.
Spewer Mortar: Honestly, I've only ever had them kill me or do nothing to me at all.
Bile Titan: I've never had one ragdoll me. They just insta-kill me if they touch me.

Originally posted by Automaton Trooper:

Don't forget the Stalker's tounge shove.

True, but when they fling you away it usually isn't followed-up with a bunch of ranged weapons to kill you instantly.

With the bugs, I've been able to recover from their ragdolling most of the time. With bots? It is Ragdoll followed by ranged fire till I die before I can recover. The main thing is that for bugs to ragdoll you, they have to get close to you. If they get close, you're fighting them wrong anyway. Bots will just snipe you from across the map and ruin your day.

[Explodium]

Yeah, would be nice if they toned the ragdolling a bit, on high difs it's just ridiculous. At least if you're wearing heavy armor or something.

[Çhïmë®øñ]

Sums everything up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5RqahhwTw8

[Sanglaine]

Have recently played Autos and they felt fine. I'd rather get a lil ragdoll while I'm in cover than have hunters swarm me constantly. Plus bots are really predictable and still super exploitable.

[Gingerbread Man]

Knockback/flinch resistant armors should be a thing alongside fire resistant armor

[Suwako]

The only time bots have actually rag-dolled me from full HP to death is when I make a bold move, run out of cover, or attempt a AMR shot mid devastator barrage. This is WITHOUT a shield.

Most of my playtime consists of exclusively bots, I only do bugs for major orders, and even then I do one or two missions. If you're having trouble with rag dolling against the bots you need to stop standing near walls and not have slopes behind you. Use the personal, or team-wide shield generator, you can eat several rockets before you're actually punished for your mistakes.

Most importantly, if you're getting overwhelmed, you should immediately seek cover. only return fire when you're not getting suppressed, or peek another corner as enemies will continue to fire in your last known position.

This is a wild opinion; but I think bots are BY FAR the easiest and most fun faction. Getting endlessly rushed by bugs and having to deal with chargers up in your face 70% of the time ISNT HARD, its just incredibly annoying, dull, and boring. Enemy priority is always the same, enemies always rush you in the same way. With bots its more dynamic. Focusing a hulk or tank isnt always a priority when there's a devastator up on a hill shooting rockets down into your cover.

Stop playing bots like they're bugs.
- Take cover, pick priority targets. Stop running away from fights to an objective 50 meters away, they'll follow you and you will be surrounded, PLUS devastators will fire from across the map, through the fog, into your face if you run away.
- Stop fighting every patrol because you cant drop fire on top of the bot drop like you can with a bug breach, bring ACTUAL A.T. support weapons or stratagems, focus on bots that can call for drops.
- Use prone/crouch to get close to outposts and nail them with an airstrike, so you can open fire as soon as it hits, effectively wiping them all out before they can call for help.
- Use stealth to avoid patrols.
- I know bug players cant stand this one; Aim for actual weak spots as some bots are completely immune to most damage otherwise.
- Use different load outs depending on missions, heavy armor for defense lets you eat an extra rocket, or take 2-3 extra shots before death, grenade launcher/SPEAR for blitz so you can quickly wipe out fabricators from a distance, generalist support weapon for regular runs like the autocanon or AMR that are good at everything. Team-wide shield and mines for missions with defend objectives. It's no longer a 'one size fits all' like you can do with the bugs.

I could go on and on and on and on, but just go into the mentality of "I need to complete my objectives, loot, and get out. To do this, I need to find whatever strategy makes me kill the most, die the least, EVEN IF I DONT WANT TO USE THAT PARTICULAR SET BECAUSE CLUSTER STRIKE GETS ME 60 ENEMY KILLS AGAINTS THE BUGS AND IT MAKES ME PRODUCE SOME OF THE FUNNY BRAIN JUICE". Embrace the suck. Get learn to adapt or eat rockets.

Happy diving, and good luck.

[Mosey]

Last I checked there is equipment that removes ragdoll, is there some particular reason you don't want to use it?

[Hominid]

Only thing i think should happen is a damage threshold for ragdolling. Seems silly when my health bar gets tickled and my dude just goes limp.

[Grand General Traxis]

Originally posted by Hominid:

Only thing i think should happen is a damage threshold for ragdolling. Seems silly when my health bar gets tickled and my dude just goes limp.

this could fix so much of the problems i have with this game, its genuinely annoying that i can ragdoll myself just by diving onto the ground and then falling an inch off of the poorly mapped geometry and ragdolling as if i fell from a 5 story building

[SilentHero]

Originally posted by Condoriano:

Originally posted by Hominid:

Only thing i think should happen is a damage threshold for ragdolling. Seems silly when my health bar gets tickled and my dude just goes limp.

this could fix so much of the problems i have with this game, its genuinely annoying that i can ragdoll myself just by diving onto the ground and then falling an inch off of the poorly mapped geometry and ragdolling as if i fell from a 5 story building

I feel your pain brothers.

[Darren Daulton]

Originally posted by Plagen:

Get struck by a rocket: Ragdoll
Rocket hits a wall near you: Ragdoll
Mortar lands near you: Ragdoll
Hulk shell lands near you: Ragdoll
Tank shoots near you: Ragdoll
Jetpack explodes near you: Ragdoll
Trip over a rock: Ragdoll

Like dang ya'll. It feels like this problem has gotten worse. I went back to bugs after we liberated the West, and I just went back for this MO and I'm getting absolutely bodied by being ragdolled.

Two of my most "bruh" ragdolls:
1) Spawned into mission in-progress and landed near a radio tower thing. Rocket hits the base of it, ragdolling me into the wall against the tower. The rest of the rockets spam into me, killing me instantly.
2) Fighting bots from cover. Rocket hits the ground near me, ragdolling me and flinging me out of cover into swampy terrain. Before I can even recover, more rockets and laser spam kills me instantly.

The only difficulty bots have is that they ragdoll you and then finish you off before you can respond. Almost every death I've had against them is an insta-death where a random rocket ragdolls me and I get killed before I can recover. Even the new booster doesn't help me recover in time.

I'm going back to the bugs. At least there if I get insta-killed it is because I was an idiot and let a Bile Titan or something sneak up on me.

War is hell.... ... . .. .. helldiver

[Danyaell]

it's hilarious, isn't it?