Give counter sniper + AMR heavy pen

[VelxraTV]

I really want to love both as they truly been improved. But for the limited ammo we can replace the counter sniper with a dominator for same ammo with more damage. For the AMR we can trade that for the laser cannon offering unlimited ammo and more accuracy.

The CS and AMR are better. Yet don't hold their own compared to other options. They are high caliber and intended to punch through anything with armor piercing ammo. Give them heavy pen as their trait. Or they just flounder in the pool of same tier options.

[Riqcrow]

also heavy machine gun stratagem needs some tweaking, currently it has lower mag, higher recoil, and won't pierce medium armor compared to medium machine gun strat

[Phishfood]

Is this the latest in jester farming?

[voces junior]

Originally posted by RiQ:

also heavy machine gun stratagem needs some tweaking, currently it has lower mag, higher recoil, and won't pierce medium armor compared to medium machine gun strat

The HMG has better pen than MG43, has the same pen than AMR but lower damage.

The HMG need a magazine with 100 bullets and will be fine.

[gachi is manly]

AMR is already great vs bots my guy. Holds up just fine compared to other options since they fixed the misaligned scope.

Originally posted by Velxra:

For the AMR we can trade that for the laser cannon offering unlimited ammo and more accuracy..

Okay now, more accuracy? That's just trolling.

[VelxraTV]

Originally posted by gachi is manly:

AMR is already great vs bots my guy. Holds up just fine compared to other options since they fixed the misaligned scope.

Its not very anti material no.

[2D > 3D WEEB 4 LIFE]

Originally posted by Velxra:

Its not very anti material no.

You need to shoot bots in the face with it like with the AC.

[Sea Base]

Originally posted by Velxra:

Originally posted by gachi is manly:

AMR is already great vs bots my guy. Holds up just fine compared to other options since they fixed the misaligned scope.

Its not very anti material no.

Anti materiel =/= anti material. I know the words are close, but they mean different things.

[VelxraTV]

Originally posted by RiQ:

also heavy machine gun stratagem needs some tweaking, currently it has lower mag, higher recoil, and won't pierce medium armor compared to medium machine gun strat

Yeah that could use a buff in pen to. It gets far to easily bounced for a heavy machine gun aka 50 cal.

[Resyled]

Originally posted by Velxra:

Originally posted by RiQ:

also heavy machine gun stratagem needs some tweaking, currently it has lower mag, higher recoil, and won't pierce medium armor compared to medium machine gun strat

Yeah that could use a buff in pen to. It gets far to easily bounced for a heavy machine gun aka 50 cal.

The HMG, 100% has Heavy penetration and shreds striders frontally in like 8 shots? it will kill a Hulk if you fire at the visor just like every other heavy pen weapon. It kills devestators frontally very fast without even hitting their head and probably 1 taps or 2 taps them with headshots.

maybe just uh.. become better.. (it does need 100 rounds tho)

[Echo2Omega]

They just need to being back the original erupter.

It was best vs bots.
It was best vs bugs.
It was best for hoard clear
It was best for medium armored targets.
It was even good for killing hulks and chargers.
It was able to destroy materials (open doors)
It was able to close holes and destroy fabricators.
Massive amount of ammo.
Animation canceling doubled the fire rate.
It was literally able to do everything.
It could even kill bot gunships.

We need that meta back again. We need that one size fits all weapon that does everything best. Having only 1 weapon best at everything is fun. It helps with build diversity. It makes the game playable.

[dyra55]

Originally posted by Resyled:

Originally posted by Velxra:

Yeah that could use a buff in pen to. It gets far to easily bounced for a heavy machine gun aka 50 cal.

The HMG, 100% has Heavy penetration and shreds striders frontally in like 8 shots? it will kill a Hulk if you fire at the visor just like every other heavy pen weapon. It kills devestators frontally very fast without even hitting their head and probably 1 taps or 2 taps them with headshots.

No, it's high end of Medium Penetration (Same level as Anti-Materiel Rifle, Laser Cannon, Autocannon and HMG Emplacement)

Heavy Penetration would've killed a hulk in its armour in front or sides like Recoilless Rifle, Expendable Anti-Tank and Quasar Cannon does but HMG can't
Same with other targets like Bile Titan, Charger, Tanks, Factory Striders

AMR, Laser Cannon and Autocannon can't penetrate its armour but can penetrate its visor, it's high end of medium penetration same as HMG

And there's low end of Medium Penetration that some Primary and Secondary weapons have (Like Diligence Counter-Sniper or Senator), they can't penetrate hulk's visor

[Martian Patriot]

The AMR is completely fine where it is. The only weapons that should really get to ignore aiming for weakspots should be recoilless, EATs, and Quasar (and even then hitting a weakspot is just more ammo and time efficient).

As it stands, AMR 4 shots gunships, 2 shots hulks, and mag-dump kills tanks. Not to mention in 1-shots all Devastators. What more do you want?

[lawshadow]

We have LISTENED to the community thanks for sharing your valuable feedback!

It's me Alexus speaking the friendly DEV from Hello Neighbor....i mean Helldivers 2.
Upon further investigation i think that's a great idea to have these 2 weapons more penetration.

To offset this buff we....i mean I decided that it is in place to remove the triggers from these 2 guns so that it will be balanced. Take some give some that's my whole approach. If you have further feedback PLEASE let me know :)

"Mechs need more ARMOR protection"

Sure thats a GREAT idea!
Next update will have it more armor for more survival but to offset this Helldivers can no longer enter the Mech!

[lawshadow]

Originally posted by Echo2Omega:

They just need to being back the original erupter.

It was best vs bots.
It was best vs bugs.
It was best for hoard clear
It was best for medium armored targets.
It was even good for killing hulks and chargers.
It was able to destroy materials (open doors)
It was able to close holes and destroy fabricators.
Massive amount of ammo.
Animation canceling doubled the fire rate.
It was literally able to do everything.
It could even kill bot gunships.

We need that meta back again. We need that one size fits all weapon that does everything best. Having only 1 weapon best at everything is fun. It helps with build diversity. It makes the game playable.

It was never the META ever with the Eruptor and i played the game over 280 hours i think. I played (mained) the Eruptor since launch with the AMR combo. And i can tell you this i saw HARDLY any people using it except for a very view maybe in all my matches 7 to 9 times. The rest you say without going much in detail is correct tho. Its a slimy slimy act to nerf this gun to oblivion! AH has ZERO clue what it means to have a "single bolt action gun" it is SUPPOSSED to be very damaging with every damn SHOT. "one shot one kill". And the horrendous BAD accuracy on that gun...pfff. Most fps games always regarded SINGLE bolt action guns as powerfull one shotters. However to OFFBALANCE this attribute it came with pretty bad side effects, SLOW SLOW SLOW SLOW and bad handling this IS the BALANCE. I would have less of an issue if the Eruptor was actually VERY accurate but i guess due to its nature ie slow projectile of the grenades this is an issue.

Yet AH slapped a Anti Material Rifle scope on it with imaginary 200m yet max range is 125m which gives you the false idea that it's a sniper well kind off....

The people who are really comprimised by this Eruptor nerf are the MAINERS of this gun since launch they knew the BIG BIG changes since nerf 1 and nerf 2! They even REMOVED the SKILL that is aiming at a Striders leg joint or knee joint from 100m to take it out...this made me very pissed because in nerf 1 you could still do this. Nerf 2 they removed this so no longer a reward for your sniping skills.....terrible terrible 1diots at AH looking at you Alexus plays only trivial and with A.I. enebaled ie EZ mode...

[Bob]

AMR extremely good against bots right now, and not bad against bugs. No heavy pen needed otherwise it would be way too good.

Counter sniper also top 3 on bots right now for primaries where it is at after its buffs, and is a primary to boot; so giving it heavy pen would be foolish. One shotting devastators is more than good enough.