SMG-72 pummeler VS SMG-37 defender

[Shogun]

Why this new weapon is so weak?
Pummeler VS Defender
-5 dmg
-45 fire rate
Same weapon but weaker.

And purifier, is most unusable weapon. Weeker then Punisher Plasma and Scorcher. This new energy weapon cant be replaced by any old weapon and cant be good in some situations. A long charge, weak explosion, small radius.

As I understand this is not a new "good S/A tier weapon" its just the same as before but less effective.

[Korrex]

I think the selling point is that the Pummler can stun enemies like Spewers (which is quite useful), where the Defender is straight damage.

It's a take it or leave it type of deal.

[BiggieJohn]

Typically I would only ever consider using an smg against automatons utilizing the ballistic shield. Having said that I would take the smg with concussion to stop missile shooters. Lowkey I think the new smg makes the previous irrelevant now. Minor still.
This is the only scenario I would use a one handed smg and shield combo, so of course i'm taking the concussive variant.

[Kalas Hydra]

the smg has good stager suposedly
the purifier i tested vs bugs only so far and its absolute garbage tier

[Mr. Figgles]

The trade-off for damage and RoF is because it staggers almost all enemies. Actually pretty useful for bugs. Definitely not best-in-slot though.

[Levia]

The only + it has over the defender is the stagger.

No really, the stagger is so good, it even staggers Chargers if you don't hit armor.

[voces junior]

The new smg is really powerfull, can stunn enemies like stalkers, much better than AR23E concusssive but make the same thing but much worse.

[Shogun]

Originally posted by Korrex:

I think the selling point is that the Pummler can stun enemies like Spewers (which is quite useful), where the Defender is straight damage.

It's a take it or leave it type of deal.

Didnt notice this (about stun) its a good point, need to check. On bugs it was okay, as for smg, but numbers were strange for me

[Shogun]

Originally posted by Kalas Hydra:

the smg has good stager suposedly
the purifier i tested vs bugs only so far and its absolute garbage tier

Tested on automatons. Long charge time makes you a good target that can be ez killed. If you move, it will shoot far away from the point where you were trying to hit.
Also, scout striker died from 2 shots, same for scorcher (if you aim to the front of it) but scorcher don't need to be charged. Rocket Devastators get 4 shots before die (perhaps wrong aim to weak spots)

[That person]

i'm loving the new smg
great for ducking out and keeping stuff off your back
stagger + shoot over shoulder = good :)

[Lex85]

Originally posted by Shogun:

Didnt notice this (about stun) its a good point, need to check. On bugs it was okay, as for smg, but numbers were strange for me

Pumnmeler is amazing vs bile spewers, stalkers and brood commander.
Especially the former two, they get stop dead in their tracks.

However you do feel the lower DPS so in that regard it's kinda of a utility weapon: you stunlock them and have a teammate with a more adequate weapon to drain their HP.

From a perspective of raw stagger-push back effect the Liberator Concussive is better.