AR-23 Liberator deals less damage than the concussive.

[SamEstine]

Since the concussive got buffed, its description mentions it deals less damage but staggers enemies, however it now deals more damage than the liberator itself with the recent update.

Should the description be updated then? Or was the Liberator supposed to get a buff but somehow was missed during the last patch? Or am I misinterpreting the damage slider?

[Chaos]

There is nothing deeper than the dev just do a quick and messy job and they probably got to come clean this up later.

[Trig_Zero]

i ain't gonna sugarcoat this
this patch ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up hard

[Firecam]

ChatGPT patch.

[SamEstine]

I mean if anything deserves a slight buff to keep up, might be the liberator's time to shine. But hey, I'm not a balancing expert.

Although I'm not really feeling that last patch, I just dislike the inconsistencies.

[Paper Rival]

The regular liberator got like a 5 dmg buff I think

[Trig_Zero]

Originally posted by SamEstine:

I mean if anything deserves a slight buff to keep up, might be the liberator's time to shine. But hey, I'm not a balancing expert.

Although I'm not really feeling that last patch, I just dislike the inconsistencies.

tbh u don't need a master degree to know how to balance this shet
and whatever we got right now is not it

[tennesay]

Its better, but it still can't compete with the sickle. Also the poor liberator penetrator is side in the side lines in irrelevance. The sickles essentially bottomless clip and superior fire rate just place it in a higher category. Despite the loss of half of the heatsinks which if your good, you will never use.

[SamEstine]

Originally posted by Disaster Tourist:

The regular liberator got like a 5 dmg buff I think

Not in the last patch I don't think. it deals 5 less damage than the concussive right now, which is supposed to deal less damage than the original liberator per its description.

[Paper Rival]

Originally posted by SamEstine:

Originally posted by Disaster Tourist:

The regular liberator got like a 5 dmg buff I think

Not in the last patch I don't think. it deals 5 less damage than the concussive right now, which is supposed to deal less damage than the original liberator per its description.

"AR-19 Liberator
Damage increased from 55 to 60

AR-23C Liberator Concussive
Damage increased from 55 to 65"

You're right, I assumed the AR-19 Liberator was the default one.
I guess that's the guard dog liberator?

[SamEstine]

Originally posted by Disaster Tourist:

Originally posted by SamEstine:

Not in the last patch I don't think. it deals 5 less damage than the concussive right now, which is supposed to deal less damage than the original liberator per its description.

"AR-19 Liberator
Damage increased from 55 to 60

AR-23C Liberator Concussive
Damage increased from 55 to 65"

You're right, I assumed the AR-19 Liberator was the default one.
I guess that's the guard dog liberator?

Wait the patch notes say AR-19? That's the model used in Helldivers 1, the liberator in helldivers 2 is AR-23 model. Lol, I guess in a sense we are both right?

Devs double confused us. They got the model wrong and now the description is not accurate for the concussive.

[Paper Rival]

Originally posted by SamEstine:

Originally posted by Disaster Tourist:

"AR-19 Liberator
Damage increased from 55 to 60

AR-23C Liberator Concussive
Damage increased from 55 to 65"

You're right, I assumed the AR-19 Liberator was the default one.
I guess that's the guard dog liberator?

Wait the patch notes say AR-19? That's the model used in Helldivers 1, the liberator in helldivers 2 is AR-23 model. Lol, I guess in a sense we are both right?

Devs double confused us. They got the model wrong and now the description is not accurate for the concussive.

Wow. Well it seems these patch notes were not written very carefully then.

They have caused a lot of confusion for more then this mistake alone.

"AX/AR-23 Guard Dog
Decreased damage by 30%"

When it was the AX/LAS-5 "Guard Dog" Rover that actually got nerfed.

As well as doing a poor job of explaining the spawn rate changes.

[Ximmen]

Originally posted by Disaster Tourist:

Originally posted by SamEstine:

Wait the patch notes say AR-19? That's the model used in Helldivers 1, the liberator in helldivers 2 is AR-23 model. Lol, I guess in a sense we are both right?

Devs double confused us. They got the model wrong and now the description is not accurate for the concussive.

Wow. Well it seems these patch notes were not written very carefully then.

They have caused a lot of confusion for more then this mistake alone.

"AX/AR-23 Guard Dog
Decreased damage by 30%"

When it was the AX/LAS-5 "Guard Dog" Rover that actually got nerfed.

As well as doing a poor job of explaining the spawn rate changes.

Makes you a bit concerned about how the game code is written. doesn't it?

[asura]

Did you all play on release? The Concussive was originally named Liberator Explosive and we all thought we were getting 10x damage on weak spots. People on youtube even tried to lab but they only got, at best, 30% damage.

The Liberator "Explosive" (at the time) was renamed to Concussive. It still had it's EXPLOSIVE label in the armory for a bit afterwards.

But yeah it has a really low fire rate and worse recoil than the other liberator variants. Who knows what it was originally intended for.

[dyra55]

Originally posted by asura:

Did you all play on release? The Concussive was originally named Liberator Explosive and we all thought we were getting 10x damage on weak spots. People on youtube even tried to lab but they only got, at best, 30% damage.

The Liberator "Explosive" (at the time) was renamed to Concussive. It still had it's EXPLOSIVE label in the armory for a bit afterwards.

But yeah it has a really low fire rate and worse recoil than the other liberator variants. Who knows what it was originally intended for.

Can confirm, it was always underwhelming, this buff at least gives it some damage to compensate

[BeelzeBob]

Originally posted by dyra55:

Originally posted by asura:

Did you all play on release? The Concussive was originally named Liberator Explosive and we all thought we were getting 10x damage on weak spots. People on youtube even tried to lab but they only got, at best, 30% damage.

The Liberator "Explosive" (at the time) was renamed to Concussive. It still had it's EXPLOSIVE label in the armory for a bit afterwards.

But yeah it has a really low fire rate and worse recoil than the other liberator variants. Who knows what it was originally intended for.

Can confirm, it was always underwhelming, this buff at least gives it some damage to compensate

Not nearly enough unfortunately.