Br14 adjudicator recoil ''''nerf'''' sets a bad precedent.

[JohnTravoltage]

I think the br14 needed buffs, but even before that it was my favourite weapon.

Now this patch ruined it, its just not fun to use anymore. It originally felt unique and rewarding to play, now it just feels like a liberator.

I wish they pushed it more into the unique role it felt like it was trying to fit, but it feels like the devs just took the lazy route of pushing it off into the AR camp, and effectively increasing the skill floor/reducing skill ceiling by lowering the recoil.

This game is mostly a shooter, whats the point of just having guns that aren't engaging/interesting to play with?

[Xdiespa]

Mate, they heavily nerfed the crossbow... a crappy weapon that nobody used.

They have no idea what they're doing.

[McFuzz]

Originally posted by Xdiespa:

Mate, they heavily nerfed the crossbow... a crappy weapon that nobody used.

They have no idea what they're doing.

I like most of the buffs, and I think the quasar nerf makes sense. I think the sickle nerf is negligible and the eruptor nerf is unfortunate but a work in progress.

......But there ain't no justifying that crossbow nerf, that's just bonkers lol.

How did they even get to that point.

[JohnTravoltage]

Originally posted by Hellswimmers 3:

It had no role before, your choice of favorite weapon is very strange. It was a DMR with bad damage, and an assault rifle with a small mag that cant be used in auto. Its place was (and is) in the bin

Yes, but it was a fun weapon before, even if it had issues. Now it is boring.

The game is ridiculously easy as is, there is nothing that provides a challenge that actually pushes weapons like this out of being usable. Hell you can just not use any weapons and its still easy. Just cus it was slightly worse than other weapons doesn't mean it belongs in the bin, nor does it mean it should basically just be turned into another liberator.

What they really did was remove player agency, there is less ability for us to play well with it to make a difference in terms of controlling recoil, which makes it less satisfying to use.

[Chocbomb]

Like the crossbow.. no one is making videos of the BR-14 Abjudicator, almost all of them are 2 weeks old. (when the warbond was added)

The crossbow was one of the best Solo Stealth weapons, its silent fire only alerted enemies at impact unless you were missing your shots and the enemy would magically locate you anyway but it was slightly less with the Crossbow.
But even still they also nerfed solo stealth play with more patrols! hahaha smh.

They double down on those weird spawn out of no where patrols that seem to increase the less locations the enemy occupy on the map and the more stuff you blow up like having less is more for patrol spawns.

[Ishan451]

Originally posted by JohnTravoltage:

Br14 adjudicator recoil ''''nerf'''' sets a bad precedent.

Just as reminder to people...

Originally posted by Patchnotes:

BR-14 Adjudicator

Full auto is now the default fire mode
Reduced recoil
Increased maximum mags from 6 to 8
Increased number of magazines received from resupply from 6 to 8
Now placed amongst assault rifles

So, the "Nerf" is giving it 2 more magazins and reducing its recoil? Some people would call that a buff. No wonder you put it into " " when you wrote it being a nerf.

Originally posted by JohnTravoltage:

I think the br14 needed buffs

And it got buffed.

Originally posted by JohnTravoltage:

but even before that it was my favourite weapon.

And now, with more ammo and less recoil, its to easy to use? You are a strange person.

[dyra55]

Originally posted by Hellswimmers 3:

It had no role before, your choice of favorite weapon is very strange. It was a DMR with bad damage, and an assault rifle with a small mag that cant be used in auto. Its place was (and is) in the bin

I don't think it should be classified as an Assault Rifle or Designated Marksman Rifle, judging by its name it was always intended to be a "Battle Rifle" which is something inbetween and it did gave me that impression from using it

I probably won't like it even after the buff but it definitely had character

[Enkidu]

Originally posted by JohnTravoltage:

Now this patch ruined it, its just not fun to use anymore.

You don't think you're being overly dramatic? Then you probably think manual transmissions were better before they started putting synchronizers in them, too.

I was a fan of pre-buff Liberator as well; I never understood the amount of sheer hate it got when it was first introduced and I thought it was the best/most versatile weapon from it's Warbond, but the buff was needed. The recoil made full auto practically unusable beyond point blank range.
Before it felt like you were just hanging on for the ride if you mag dumped it, like your Diver doesn't know you gotta lean into it. Now it feels like you're actually able to properly control it.

It still has it's niche and still suffers in the hands of the trigger happy. People using it like a Liberator will still be missing a lot and running around the map scrounging for ammo, but it's become a lot more accessible. Watch a video of someone shooting an M14 in full auto and then watch a video of someone shooting a SCAR17 in full auto. Same caliber, huge difference. The Liberator on release was the M14, now it's a SCAR.

[Velmoria]

Originally posted by Ishan451:

And now, with more ammo and less recoil, its to easy to use? You are a strange person.

Originally posted by JohnTravoltage:

but it feels like the devs just took the lazy route of pushing it off into the AR camp, and effectively increasing the skill floor/reducing skill ceiling by lowering the recoil.

OP is a pro gamer who prefer using weapons that more difficult to use.

[dyra55]

Originally posted by Velmoria:

Originally posted by Ishan451:

And now, with more ammo and less recoil, its to easy to use? You are a strange person.

Originally posted by JohnTravoltage:

but it feels like the devs just took the lazy route of pushing it off into the AR camp, and effectively increasing the skill floor/reducing skill ceiling by lowering the recoil.

OP is a pro gamer who prefer using weapons that more difficult to use.

Based

[JohnTravoltage]

Originally posted by Ishan451:

Originally posted by JohnTravoltage:

Br14 adjudicator recoil ''''nerf'''' sets a bad precedent.

Just as reminder to people...

Originally posted by Patchnotes:

BR-14 Adjudicator

Full auto is now the default fire mode
Reduced recoil
Increased maximum mags from 6 to 8
Increased number of magazines received from resupply from 6 to 8
Now placed amongst assault rifles

So, the "Nerf" is giving it 2 more magazins and reducing its recoil? Some people would call that a buff. No wonder you put it into " " when you wrote it being a nerf.

Originally posted by JohnTravoltage:

I think the br14 needed buffs

And it got buffed.

Originally posted by JohnTravoltage:

but even before that it was my favourite weapon.

And now, with more ammo and less recoil, its to easy to use? You are a strange person.

I said nerf, because most of the discussion surrounding this, mentioned the recoil being 'nerfed' as in, the recoil was reduced. My point, is that I think that in the sense of fun, this is a nerf in a different way.

The br14 got buffed in a way that I don't like, which is why im not happy. That doesn't mean I don't like the gun, or that I want it nerfed, which is something many people immediately assume and get the wrong idea.

It was my favourite weapon, because it was exciting to use, and I liked how there was a big difference in effectiveness based on how well I controlled the recoil, with that gone, it is less enjoyable to use.

it still isn't that good of a gun for many other reasons, but now its in a really crowded space of weapons.

It is 'too easy to use' in the sense that the recoil is very forgiving and there isn't much room for player expression through that mechanic compared to before.

What I really want more of, is equipment where the way that a player uses it and their proficiency with it actually make an impact. I want that expression of skill to be meaninful. This recoil change does the opposite of that.

[Khanwolf]

Originally posted by Xdiespa:

Mate, they heavily nerfed the crossbow... a crappy weapon that nobody used.

They have no idea what they're doing.

+1

[JohnTravoltage]

Originally posted by Velmoria:

Originally posted by Ishan451:

And now, with more ammo and less recoil, its to easy to use? You are a strange person.

Originally posted by JohnTravoltage:

but it feels like the devs just took the lazy route of pushing it off into the AR camp, and effectively increasing the skill floor/reducing skill ceiling by lowering the recoil.

OP is a pro gamer who prefer using weapons that more difficult to use.

It isn't about difficulty, I want the gun buffed in other ways. my problem is the lack of agency we now have because we cannot have as much of an impact on the performance of the weapon now.

[Katitoff]

Adjudicator still has massive recoil on full auto.

You pretty much have to be prone or kneeling with recoil reduction armor to achieve any semblance of accuracy on full auto over 20 meters.

All the patch did to it was make it viable against bugs, it already was strong vs bots on semi.

[JohnTravoltage]

Originally posted by Katitoff:

Adjudicator still has massive recoil on full auto.

You pretty much have to be prone or kneeling with recoil reduction armor to achieve any semblance of accuracy on full auto over 20 meters.

All the patch did to it was make it viable against bugs, it already was strong vs bots on semi.

Are you joking, its barely any worse than the liberator etc. even pre patch it wasn't as bad as you describe it.

[Mitzuriki]

Gun is fine imo Right now. She got what she needed. And She's a battle rifle too so current recoil makes sense than previous one. If anything,i'd wish for it to have 30 round mag instead of 25. The Devs just love odd numbers dont they?