Arrowhead: Gaming’s Trust Fund Baby

[imsouporcereal]

I recently spoke with someone who has a massive inheritance on the not-so-distant horizon. This person is/was a big advocate for “giving” and “helping” the community. Now, this person has never once done any charitable work or donated anything outside of an annual dumping of old clothes to Goodwill.

So with this not minuscule inheritance on the horizon, they have told me their plans of purchasing rental properties as advised by their new financial manager.

I’m not against making “your” money work for you, but I am very sensitive to people that have no self-awareness and are under the impression that the rest of us peasants aren’t smart enough to notice.

Why am I telling this extremely spite-filled story? Well, I couldn’t help but notice that Arrowhead displays the same general “snootiness” that trust-fund baby slacktivists do.

Arrowhead more or less inherited a large community of very unhappy gamers that were sick of being sold games that weren’t fun, weren’t functional, and just weren’t good in general. So, Helldivers 2, while not perfect, launched in a better state than 99% of modern games. It was fun. It was functional (for the most part…). And it was priced accordingly. Is gamers were pretty happy to say the least.

Unfortunately, Arrowhead have decided to take a very adversarial approach to the community.

You’re having fun? Oh no no… we can’t have that. NERF.

You’re succeeding too much. THREE STRATAGEMS ONLY AND DOUBLE ENEMY SPAWNS.

You’re enjoying dropping airstrikes? +100% DEPLOYMENT TIME.

Randoms being toxic. HERE HAVE AN ION STORM.

There seems to be no appreciation for what is a very dedicated community. Personally, I like this game so much that I don’t want to play anything else. During the Arc Weapon crashing fiasco, I just played nothing… there was no replacement for the enjoyment this game has provided to me.

My hope is that Arrowhead abandons this kamikaze mission to do destroy fun.

TL;DR: I’m stupid. I’m bad. Git gud. Skill issue. How dare I have an opinion on a game I purchased. Yeah, yeah…

[Ryzilynt]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Subsonic:

Lots of Edgelords in one thread, that's just lovely. What a toxic cesspool of bullshittery.

lmao

[Ɖrəɐɱ]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ryzilynt:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ɖrəɐɱ:

I don't need to know you or anything about you. It's how you carry yourself here and now that is all that matters. Someone offering an objective truth bothers you enough for you to take a stance against it. A truth that would never warrant a negative reaction unless there were an ulterior motive. The only ulterior motive that could exist is a stranglehold on wealth over the rights of your fellow men and women. Unless you're just a troll. In which case, bravo.

Pretend all you like, I won't stop you.

But the OP had a terrible take, embarrassing even, and so do you.

I don't agree with everything the OP said, but I do agree that the game itself was released prematurely and touted as being something it's not. That said, the conversation topic has greatly shifted from what the original post was about, and that's why I find it odd that you're still coming at me despite this truth I'm reciting being undeniable. This isn't a me thing, although I lived and live through it, but rather a crisis that is as old as time itself. Only now we have the means to change things, yet we still don't.

[New To This]

....Ahh it devolved into a political debate.
So NOBODY here had a point to make.
Gotcha.

[Ɖrəɐɱ]

Diposting pertama kali oleh pubcrawler13:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ɖrəɐɱ:

another endless stream of non-sequiturs and false equivalence

Friend, this is so off the rails that I scarcely know where to begin, nor do I feel further inclined to spend any more time debating someone whose worldview is so heavily skewed that he fails to acknowledge even the slightest bit of nuance in any given situation.

That said, I have no doubt that you'll claim my exit as some form of moral victory, or as "proof" that I've no further logical arguments to make. Again, I'm disinclined to disavow you of that notion, so hold it tight and sleep well with that shining victory. And don't forget, everyone else is the enemy. Keep fighting that good fight.

What you fail to realize is you replied to something I had written towards someone who was touting that they owned 5 properties, and that the OP should whine elsewhere. That is where this all started from. I'm not even sure why you took it upon yourself to intervene, least of all on a subject that is in defense of those most vulnerable...

The amount of resentment and denouncing. You're acting as if this were some sort of play, or dance. You're so eccentric it's absurd. You may as well have left with an exiting statement of "death to the poor." At least then you could have held onto what deranged integrity you deem worthwhile, as I can only speculate on the logic patters of a sociopath. Furthermore, I don't view you exiting this discussion as proof you have no further logical arguments, as that would imply you ever had any to begin with. Your stance was against the well being of your fellow men and women. The fact that people like you are allowed to live amongst humans is why the world is the way it is. A legacy of delusions of grandeur.

[Ɖrəɐɱ]

Diposting pertama kali oleh New To This:

....Ahh it devolved into a political debate.
So NOBODY here had a point to make.
Gotcha.

The false-flagger brought up politics in an attempt to find an exit strategy. Tried calling me a commie, then unhinged and finally tried to infuse identity politics into the mix. When that all failed he made a grand, rather eccentric exit statement where he tried, and failed to grasp my assumed perception.

[ᛈᚢᛒᚲᚱᚨᛚᚱ13]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ɖrəɐɱ:

Diposting pertama kali oleh pubcrawler13:

Friend, this is so off the rails that I scarcely know where to begin, nor do I feel further inclined to spend any more time debating someone whose worldview is so heavily skewed that he fails to acknowledge even the slightest bit of nuance in any given situation.

That said, I have no doubt that you'll claim my exit as some form of moral victory, or as "proof" that I've no further logical arguments to make. Again, I'm disinclined to disavow you of that notion, so hold it tight and sleep well with that shining victory. And don't forget, everyone else is the enemy. Keep fighting that good fight.

What you fail to realize is you replied to something I had written towards someone who was touting that they owned 5 properties, and that the OP should whine elsewhere. That is where this all started from. I'm not even sure why you took it upon yourself to intervene, least of all on a subject that is in defense of those most vulnerable...

The amount of resentment and denouncing. You're acting as if this were some sort of play, or dance. You're so eccentric it's absurd. You may as well have left with an exiting statement of "death to the poor." At least then you could have held onto what deranged integrity you deem worthwhile, as I can only speculate on the logic patters of a sociopath. Furthermore, I don't view you exiting this discussion as proof you have no further logical arguments, as that would imply you ever had any to begin with. Your stance was against the well being of your fellow men and women. The fact that people like you are allowed to live amongst humans is why the world is the way it is. A legacy of delusions of grandeur.

Great job buddy!

[☭Rosa]

Diposting pertama kali oleh MrWhopperwithfries:

Sounds to me that you don't like the fact that Arrowhead literally decided to make an actually truly difficult game, reminiscent of old-style arcade games. However, the devs also acknowledge and fix things that are too difficult, as they just halved the effect of stratagem cooldown and call-in time debuffs.

The more they've added and changed the game, the more I've tried out different loadouts and had more fun. You might need to rethink how you play games if you aren't having fun.

... I don't understand why some people are under the illusion that this game is challenging at all.
it's a 3rd person pve coop shooter; it is not challenging at all.
it can be frustrating at times, but there's not real challenge to it.
this isn't even a challenging genre of video games.
people repeating that the game is challenging does not make it so. it's a pretty straight forward game and very easy to clear solo or with a group.

[New To This]

POPCORN! GET YOUR POPCORN! FIGHT OF THE CENTURY!
Discussion poster vs discussion poster!
Neither has the power to change the game they love in the way they want!
So they MUST FIGHT TO THE DEEEEEEEEATH!
Popcorn and soda! Come get your hotdogs and burgers!
THIS WILL BE THE FIGHT OF THE .....MOMENT!(A moment is 90 seconds)

[The_Dipl0mat]

Diposting pertama kali oleh TSC TheHolyDarkness:

Diposting pertama kali oleh imsouporcereal:

I recently spoke with someone who has a massive inheritance on the not-so-distant horizon. This person is/was a big advocate for “giving” and “helping” the community. Now, this person has never once done any charitable work or donated anything outside of an annual dumping of old clothes to Goodwill.

So with this not minuscule inheritance on the horizon, they have told me their plans of purchasing rental properties as advised by their new financial manager.

I’m not against making “your” money work for you, but I am very sensitive to people that have no self-awareness and are under the impression that the rest of us peasants aren’t smart enough to notice.

Why am I telling this extremely spite-filled story? Well, I couldn’t help but notice that Arrowhead displays the same general “snootiness” that trust-fund baby slacktivists do.

Arrowhead more or less inherited a large community of very unhappy gamers that were sick of being sold games that weren’t fun, weren’t functional, and just weren’t good in general. So, Helldivers 2, while not perfect, launched in a better state than 99% of modern games. It was fun. It was functional (for the most part…). And it was priced accordingly. Is gamers were pretty happy to say the least.

Unfortunately, Arrowhead have decided to take a very adversarial approach to the community.

You’re having fun? Oh no no… we can’t have that. NERF.

You’re succeeding too much. THREE STRATAGEMS ONLY AND DOUBLE ENEMY SPAWNS.

You’re enjoying dropping airstrikes? +100% DEPLOYMENT TIME.

Randoms being toxic. HERE HAVE AN ION STORM.

There seems to be no appreciation for what is a very dedicated community. Personally, I like this game so much that I don’t want to play anything else. During the Arc Weapon crashing fiasco, I just played nothing… there was no replacement for the enjoyment this game has provided to me.

My hope is that Arrowhead abandons this kamikaze mission to do destroy fun.

TL;DR: I’m stupid. I’m bad. Git gud. Skill issue. How dare I have an opinion on a game I purchased. Yeah, yeah…

Either git gud or stop playing on Dark Souls difficulty then. They gave us 9 levels of accessibility. The difficulty appeals to all audiences. Nothing within the patches affects casual players or players with habits of actual skill, communication and tactics. If anything, things be buffed.

Yeah, the patches are more to make sure everything can be viable in some way. Obv some will be more useful against certain foes but thats the nature. They want to make sure everyone can enjoy a style of gameplay rather than have to pick "meta"

Alongside the difficulty, I typically play around 7 for that nice balance of difficult but fun. But if I just want to feel like the main character I'll drop down to 3 or 4 to have fun. You don't always need a higher number to be happy

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Diposting pertama kali oleh pubcrawler13:

Great job buddy!

For what, exactly? We're not animals, this was never a show of dominance. I'm not your enemy. I value your life just as I do the lives of the poor I'm defending. That said, and sadly, my words, my stance, all that I believe and dedicate myself to is as good as a vegan arguing against animal cruelty. I'm just passionate about this, as I know what it's like. It's the stuff of nightmares. Yes there are people suffering worse off in other places of the world with a far lower standard of life, but that should not deter or replace responsibility by those with excess here to do away with suffrage of those with not. Philosophy will do you some good, friend. The world, although corrupted to seem like a me vs you scenario, is in fact far more complex. We've reached a point in our civilizations to do away with these archaic methods. Consider that, at the very least.

[Ryzilynt]

Humans are in fact animals by definition. Because of science.

Don't shoot the messenger.

[Ɖrəɐɱ]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ryzilynt:

Humans are in fact animals by definition. Because of science.

Don't shoot the messenger.

You're right, but at the very least we can conceptualize ideas beyond or instincts. Well.. At least it's supposed so, that is.

[Ryzilynt]

Since we are going to get philosophical , were you aware that all life on earth is genetically related?

That in my lifetime the cumulative "wildlife" on this planet has been reduced by approximately 60%.

Just in my lifetime.

Yet somehow we all must find a way to sleep at night.

[ᛈᚢᛒᚲᚱᚨᛚᚱ13]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ɖrəɐɱ:

Diposting pertama kali oleh pubcrawler13:

Great job buddy!

For what, exactly? We're not animals, this was never a show of dominance. I'm not your enemy. I value your life just as I do the lives of the poor I'm defending. That said, and sadly, my words, my stance, all that I believe and dedicate myself to is as good as a vegan arguing against animal cruelty. I'm just passionate about this, as I know what it's like. It's the stuff of nightmares. Yes there are people suffering worse off in other places of the world with a far lower standard of life, but that should not deter or replace responsibility by those with excess here to do away with suffrage of those with not. Philosophy will do you some good, friend. The world, although corrupted to seem like a me vs you scenario, is in fact far more complex. We've reached a point in our civilizations to do away with these archaic methods. Consider that, at the very least.

Okay, man, look - I'll respond to this one last time in an attempt to put it to bed. Please try to respond in a rational, level-headed manner and not resort to invective and personal insults (i.e. labelling me a "sociopath" right out of the gate).

Despite the fact that you desperately want to believe otherwise, we're on the same side here. I share your beliefs on the hoarding of wealth, and the amount of good it can do the world's less fortunate. I'm an old punk rocker from back in the day, and lived most of my life dirt-poor and scraping by with whatever I could scrounge up, despite every attempt to do better for myself and my family. You keep repeating this assertion that I don't know otherwise, that I'm somehow part of the "elite" ("you might as well have signed off with 'death to the poor,'" or whatever you said last time). Again, you've also labeled me as a "sociopath" more than once, despite making ironic statements like "my truth is indisputable" (again, I know that's not an exact quote; I'm not going to bother digging through several pages to find it. Sue me.).

The difference is that the world isn't as black-and-white as you seem to think it is, and not everyone who has done well for themselves is "evil" (or "a disease," as you referred to them) and contributing to the problem. Neither you, nor I, nor anyone else, has any way of knowing whether or not the dude who owns multiple properties donates regularly to charity, or what he's done in the past to help people. That's called nuance; it's also called "not making blanket assumptions about one person's entire existence based solely on their financial status."

Your heart is in the right place. I believe mine is too. Despite what you said, I do study philosophy, to a large extent (I consider myself an Aurelian Stoic, in case you're curious - another assumption, but never mind). Like you, I have a lot of anger at the injustices of the world. The way to solve those problems, though, is by channeling that anger, not by passing all-encompassing judgements on people about whose lives you know nothing, other than how much money you assume they have.

[imsouporcereal]

Diposting pertama kali oleh New To This:

....Ahh it devolved into a political debate.
So NOBODY here had a point to make.
Gotcha.

Arrowhead inherited a community of gamers with an increasingly low bar for quality.

They released a very good, very fun game that most (if not all of us) enjoy.

Instead of sustaining enjoyment, they want the game to be played only how they deem we should be allowed to have fun.

Aka like a trust fund baby “slacktivist” that inherits a large sum of money, buys up rental properties, and jacks up rental prices so the people around them that they claim to advocate for get screwed.

It’s a pretty straightforward analogy that seems to have really smashed the insecurity button for people that match this description.

But I’ll go ahead and nerf the tone and give you the point:

Nerfs don’t need to be this aggressive in a PvE game.