Bots being hard is exaggerated a lot

[ChequeMate]

Sure 7+ difficulties a lot of incoming dakka makes it harder than same difficulty bugs but so often I see players using the same stratagems and tactics as they use against bugs, refusing to take cover, trying to be a Leeroy Jenkins-Rambo hybrid.

Bots main strength is overwhelming rocket barrages from Devastators and medium armour, you simply can't bring 4 x Eagle 500 kg, EATs, Personal Shield like everyone does in bug missions and expect to win. Diversify your loadouts, play it as a 3rd person shooter, dirty tactics and precision firepower. Anything that stuns (Stun Grenades, EMS sentry/orbital) are godsend and when in doubt bring a Autocannon to level the playing field. You can't do long attrition warfare with them as they have numerical advantage, so hit them hard and hit them fast, when in doubt retreat to next objective and always target the Commissar first as they fire the flares that bring the Drop Ships.

[TrixyTrixter]

I do agree overall. tho Eagle 500 kg is amazing for just clearing out all the robot outposts and with a good throw it can take care of tanks really easily so Ill still bring that one at least.

[Anarchy]

They're not hard, just not fun.

People saying they're easier than bugs are on crack, though.

And also if you're using shield backpack on bugs idk what to say, lol.

[ChequeMate]

Originally posted by TrixyTrixter:

I do agree overall. tho Eagle 500 kg is amazing for just clearing out all the robot outposts and with a good throw it can take care of tanks really easily so Ill still bring that one at least.

What I meant is that all 4 people don't need to bring 500 kg like they do in bug missions, without a diversified loadout the bot variety is hard to deal with which is exactly why so many are scared to fight them not realising their own choice of stratagems and tactics is holding them back.

[Albireo]

I lead by example, ran into a group doing the personal shield and 500kg thing. I ran auto cannon and auto cannon turret and wrecked house. Next mission 2 of them take auto cannons.

[TOAN732]

The dumbest thing is their explosions don't really hurt each other. A Hulk exploding right on a trooper doesn't always destroy them for some reason. Shooting the jetpack of the Marauder's never really kills them either, yet when they're next to me, I'm blown to bits.

I understand that like rockets colliding with another bot doesn't do full damage because if it was the other way, you could get the rocket bots to wipe out a large chunk of robots for you.

And PLEASE, have better sounds for the big robots. The Tank is COMPLETELY silent when rolling around, which doesn't make sense. Give the Hulks louder stomping noises. It's dumb that something that big makes stepping sounds like it has pillows under its mechanical stompers.

[Igotaname]

There seems to be a bizarre mixup that when someone says "Bots arent fun" means that they're secretly exposing they're bad at Bots.
No, bots just aren't fun.
They don't even seem creative, they're boring to look at, the bugs are very creative and cool looking. They're actually so cool the game is specifically advertised with them.

Many of the bots are just weakspot focused enemies, while bugs have a wider variety of dangers.
Bots severely limit the amount of strategems and armors you can wear, while bugs they seem to be quite open to everything working against them.

The bugs are the posterchild of the game for a reason, and the bots are an ugly metallic red light enemy that were an afterthought in fun.

[SexualChocolate]

IMO up to level 7 the difficulty is about the same for bots and bugs. Once you go to level 8 there can just be so many hulks that your squad just can't cope and they shoot at you unlike the bugs. Don't get me wrong in level 8 bug missions I have had 5 chargers and 2 titans on screen at once but overall I think they are easier to dodge. But kiting is not fun IMO and it's the main reason I stick to level 7 because you can actually fight instead of it just becoming sprinting simulator. Can I do missions above level 7? Yes, is it fun? No. Kiting is never enjoyable, especially in a starship troopers badass space marine fantasy.

[asura]

Originally posted by TOAN732:

I understand that like rockets colliding with another bot doesn't do full damage because if it was the other way, you could get the rocket bots to wipe out a large chunk of robots for you.

That's probably a bug more than an intentional decision.
After all the chargers can close bug holes and the bile titans can wipe out other bugs.

[SexualChocolate]

Originally posted by Igotaname:

There seems to be a bizarre mixup that when someone says "Bots arent fun" means that they're secretly exposing they're bad at Bots.
No, bots just aren't fun.
They don't even seem creative, they're boring to look at, the bugs are very creative and cool looking. They're actually so cool the game is specifically advertised with them.

Many of the bots are just weakspot focused enemies, while bugs have a wider variety of dangers.
Bots severely limit the amount of strategems and armors you can wear, while bugs they seem to be quite open to everything working against them.

The bugs are the posterchild of the game for a reason, and the bots are an ugly metallic red light enemy that were an afterthought in fun.

I think some people calling bug missions easy have never dropped into a map with 2 stalker lairs and 2 shrieker nests in range of each other. Nothing burns those reinforces quicker than that IMO. Especially since you're not only fending off the stalkers and flyers but you've also got a couple of chargers and a hundred assorted trash bugs swarming you too.

[∞]

Just giving out my 2c here:
1. bring the Q-gun and the EAT
2. don't get trigger-happy, before approaching the base or mission, you KNOW they will call for tons of dropships, then call your ETAs
3. Down as many dropships as you can, use your stratagem to clean up the ground force, run in get the mission done, run out
4. it is actually fun to watch your teammate get pinned down by the bots from all directions...

and the orbital laser, you can just throw it and run, the best weapon for the bot missions!

[∞]

Originally posted by SexualChocolate:

Originally posted by Igotaname:

There seems to be a bizarre mixup that when someone says "Bots arent fun" means that they're secretly exposing they're bad at Bots.
No, bots just aren't fun.
They don't even seem creative, they're boring to look at, the bugs are very creative and cool looking. They're actually so cool the game is specifically advertised with them.

Many of the bots are just weakspot focused enemies, while bugs have a wider variety of dangers.
Bots severely limit the amount of strategems and armors you can wear, while bugs they seem to be quite open to everything working against them.

The bugs are the posterchild of the game for a reason, and the bots are an ugly metallic red light enemy that were an afterthought in fun.

I think some people calling bug missions easy have never dropped into a map with 2 stalker lairs and 2 shrieker nests in range of each other. Nothing burns those reinforces quicker than that IMO. Especially since you're not only fending off the stalkers and flyers but you've also got a couple of chargers and a hundred assorted trash bugs swarming you too.

it is rare but please do not give Joel that idea....stalkers planet, NO! just NO!

[Das Trojanische Pferd]

bots on 9 is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 90% of the time people run and the ♥♥♥♥ just keeps pilling up and at some point you cant even get into cover anymore because there are bots on all sides and rockets just flying everywhere.

Bots dont even stop shooting if you are in cover so most of the time you cant even shoot back because the 5 heavy devastators as soon as you look out spray you and you cant hit shots when your guy instantly looks into the sky because he gets hit lasers should not carry such a hard hitsway because lasers have no mass

[Irier]

There is a difference between hard and not fun. If you want to cheese helldive and crawl stealth everything than ya it's easy

[Kaklhackl]

Originally posted by Irier:

There is a difference between hard and not fun. If you want to cheese helldive and crawl stealth everything than ya it's easy

facts
All this dudes who take stels armor and crawling at a border of a map are just weird to me, its their fun i guess, but if this type of people after this shenanigans defending the game and telling everyone that "bots are easy" than they are just stupid
You guys playing a horde shooter, not splinter cell

[Albireo]

Originally posted by Kaklhackl:

Originally posted by Irier:

There is a difference between hard and not fun. If you want to cheese helldive and crawl stealth everything than ya it's easy

facts
All this dudes who take stels armor and crawling at a border of a map are just weird to me, its their fun i guess, but if this type of people after this shenanigans defending the game and telling everyone that "bots are easy" than they are just stupid
You guys playing a horde shooter, not splinter cell

Not a horde shooter though, It's an extraction shooter. Killing is a thing but does not provide any rewards at all, whatsoever. Get in, do objectives, maybe get out. How you go about it and strategies used are up to you.