What is the point of HMG?

[Daddy Warbucks]

The standard machine gun you get has more ammo and seems to be able to kill same things accept you do not need to fight it with every shot. Is there armor piercing effect I am missing?

[Grim@FU_BARRACUDA]

Originally posted by ⇧⇨⇩⇩⇩:

Originally posted by LaserDog?:

I just tried both, Stalwart and HMG and i would never ever use HMG anymore thats for sure. Maybe the HMG emplacement is something, but i have not tried it so far :-/

Stalwart takes light stuff, when you are chased by stuff with some armor its dead weight.

We were in that situation and i just shoot head with Stalwart and it works. What doesnt work is the small mag and stationary extreme long reload of then HMG when you get chased ;-)

[Anarchy]

Originally posted by Kalenath:

Originally posted by Killroy 'Loot Goblin' Mappen:

The Machine gun as a more core support weapon, to me is the dream, seeing a version of it that might actually fit that roll within the machine gun niche is great.

I'm excited thinking of how to use it best.

It is not a run and gun weapon that you can fire with 100% accuracy from the hip and 1 shot kill Bile Titans, so of course, many players hate it.

I kinda like the idea of an MG that you cannot fire accurately while moving, but that is HERESY in video games these days.

The lack of a recticle in third person kinda sucks. The ammo seems a bit low to me, but I have actually fired an M2 in real life and know how heavy .50 BMG ammo really is. I find it fun for the waves of fodder. With the ammo backpack, you can suppress the waves of enemies, stop them cold until they bring up heavy support. Which is kinda the whole IDEA of machine guns.

But, people don't like it since they cannot run and gun with it.

i pretty consistently long range hipfire the anti-mat and HMG while moving so idk man

Originally posted by ⇧⇨⇩⇩⇩:

Originally posted by LaserDog?:

I just tried both, Stalwart and HMG and i would never ever use HMG anymore thats for sure. Maybe the HMG emplacement is something, but i have not tried it so far :-/

Stalwart takes light stuff, when you are chased by stuff with some armor its dead weight.

Try hitting the actual weakpoints, only thing it won't deal with is chargers/hulks/titans/tanks ofc, lol.

[Sasha Mason]

I'm sure it's been mentioned before, but the HMG has at least better than Medium Armor pen. You can kill Striders just by shooting the cabin of the driver, where as the regular machine gun will simply bounce off of it.

[Jhea]

Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks:

So can the regular Machine Gun. Sure it shoots slower but it is way more accurate and the ammo lest way longer. It could in short range and medium since its not bouncing all over the place like HMG

No, the normal MG can not penetrate the armor of most bots.

Originally posted by StIwY:

Originally posted by Jhea:

the HMG is pretty good.

I stopped reading here, this statement is a lie.

Cool story tho.

Originally posted by The Brigadier:

The Stalwart can only punch through light armor but it has a very high ammo capacity. It's the only MG that can be reloaded while on the move.

The MG-43 can punch through medium armor and deals decreased damage. You'll see the white hit marker.

The MG 203 can punch through medium armor with no damage reduction. You'll see the red hit marker.

Try to burst your shots instead of going full auto. It makes it easier to aim from target to target, and it saves you ammo.

Fire in crouch or prone. Also, There are armors that further reduce recoil when crouching or going prone.

Yeah, said the same thing.
But most players can just hold firebutton, and hurr durr in the hope the enemy goes away.

[Mr.Dynamite]

6-8 shots to a hulks eye slit is a kill compared to 2 from the AMR, not a bad gun but the red dot definitely needs adjustment

[donut32]

HMG junk vs the bots. requires precision shots and kick like a mule even with the recoil armor and while prone

prob better vs the bugs if it can kill mediums faster than the mg43

[EvolutionKills]

Originally posted by Jhea:

No, the normal MG can not penetrate the armor of most bots.

Depends on what you mean by 'penetrate' and 'most'.

The MG43 has some sort of Medium grade armor penetration. That means it does full damage to unarmored (Raiders) or Light Armor (heads of Devastators), and does reduced damage (about 60% less) when punching through Medium Armor (the body of Devastators).

Seeing as how Raiders, Berserkers, and Devastators make up most of the units (by volume) the Automatons throw at the player? Then yes, the MG43 (and all other Medium penetration capable weapons) can in fact penetrate 'most bots'. The MG43 is great at chewing through the armored heads of Bile Spewers and Hive Guardians, and that too is Medium armor.

If you're paying close attention to the UI, the hit marker will tell you. A weapon with Medium armor penetration (Slugger, Liberator Penetrator, MG43, AMR, Autocannon, etc.) will display a red X when hitting a Light Armor or unarmored section, denoting full damage. Hitting Medium Armor will display a white X, indicating successful penetration but reduced damage (ditto for a Light penetrating weapons against Light Armor, like a Liberator hitting a Brood Commander's head). Shots visibly deflecting and a Shield icon over the reticle is an indicator of no penetration, such as taking a Light or Medium penetrating weapon up against Heavy Armor (e.g. Tanks, Hulks, Chargers, and Bile Titans).

[⇧⇨⇩⇩⇩]

Originally posted by LaserDog?:

Originally posted by ⇧⇨⇩⇩⇩:

Stalwart takes light stuff, when you are chased by stuff with some armor its dead weight.

We were in that situation and i just shoot head with Stalwart and it works. What doesnt work is the small mag and stationary extreme long reload of then HMG when you get chased ;-)

Doesnt work when the thing chasing you is a charger or a hulk. ;)
Also if what youre hoping to do is blow out the stomach of a bile titan, or blow up a tank heat vent, time is a very valuable asset and being able to do it faster can be very important.
If you dont care about dps, just use a sickle over the stalwart and you have infinite ammo.

[Kirshak]

75 bullets for a 2 mags max, I saw people forced to have an ammo backpack just to feed it. In my opinion, on level 7 or 8 difficulty, the only backpack that can keep you alive are shields or Jetpack, because of the non stop rocket spam that either delete you or send you ragdoll on the other side of the planet. I often take the LMG just because I can reload while running, and I can kill Devastators because it just allow me better accuracy so I can aim for their heads.

Shield Devastator don't care about suppressive fire, I think Devastators in general are not affected by the so called "hyper sensitive sensor" that is supposedly making them vulnerable to suppressive fire.

Stopping to reload often mean dying because you have at least ONE Rocket Devastator locked at any given time somewhere in the fog. And of course, getting hit just make your character aim got nuts so good luck trying to aim that thing at a horde of Shield Devastator constantly hitting you, making the HMG completely useless.

That gun could be fun, but it's not, you can't aim on 3rd person view, hard to aim in general, massive recoil, lack of ammo and low accuracy is really unfun to deal with imo. And I pray that the communists who infiltrated Arrowhead game studio won't nerf the other Machine guns in order to make the HMG more "viable"

[=EBS= WarGanisM]

Didn't spend much time with the HMG, tried it once and thought it was aweful, the recoil and kick is horrendous, you can't even reliably tap it for accuracy, it's just goes everywhere bar where you aim. The downsides outweigh any positives it brings to the table as far as i can see. If you need Anti vehicle/armour etc AutoCannons, Recoiless rifle, Quasar cannon etc or Strats all get that job done better, and for trash, other weapons do it better. Pointless weapon imo fills no role. Needs a tripod mode or something to keep it under control, People who want it to be good, and delude their selves will say skill issue, I simply put to you, anyone of the same skill can do better with other weapons instead.

[Gargoyle Girl]

The HMG needs a lot of work. Like being able to fire it without aiming down sights without it jumping all over the place. Or having a backpack with a belt feed, rather than two whole reloads that take so long you're dead, reinforced, and dead a second time before one canister change.

It's inaccurate, doesn't seem to do a lot more damage, and jumps around like an overexcited kid full of sugar on a trampoline. The worst part for me is the reload/ammo though. I can compensate for the kick by burst firing it, but nothing makes enemies give you more time to reload, and after reloading twice, it's just a really heavy paperweight. I don't think it even gets a faster strat recall, so you can drop another one if you don't have resupply up. All around crappy weapon.

[Pride Lizard Pride Lizard]

HMG has light vehicle armour pen and sports higher damage than the other LMG.

[Hand's Hermit Permit]

The point of HMG is to troll you for a few games into trying it until you realize it's junk and go back to regular MG.

[Hand's Hermit Permit]

Originally posted by Sasha Mason:

I'm sure it's been mentioned before, but the HMG has at least better than Medium Armor pen. You can kill Striders just by shooting the cabin of the driver, where as the regular machine gun will simply bounce off of it.

The Scorcher can do this with less aim and effort while you use your support slot for something else.

People not maining plasma scorcher for bots are trolling themselves. It trivializes scout walkers.

[Pride Lizard Pride Lizard]

I dont like the plas-1 scorcher much, to be honest. I bring autocannon for bots *anyway* given its huge versatility for bot missions.