The Quasar Cannon is OP...

[Loot]

On paper.
It sounds OP when you only list the paper statistics. Infinite ammo, infinite range, armor piercing.

In reality, yes, it has infinite ammo, range (so does almost everything else) and pierces heavy armor, but there are downsides that people are glossing over. 3 second charge time where you move slow, you're exposed, and your enemy can turn to stop facing you, resulting in no shot. If you get hit, you get staggered and will almost certainly miss the shot, so you have to start charging again, where something like an EAT or RR can just pop in and out to get the shot off.

Aiming is less stable than other options. It's jittery, meaning it's more difficult to land a weakspot hit. It doesn't deal with hordes of weaker enemies, like Walkers and Devastators, the way the Autocannon does. Yes, it's great against Heavy Armor, but it kills slower than other options. What it has going for it is reliability and convenience. You don't have to feel bad about shooting random enemies that you could kill with your primary. It has good alpha damage for when you just start a fight, and is good for picking off distant enemies, but it's worse during an active engagement than other options. You don't have the leeway to just keep lobbing off shots most of the time, because you need to take the time to charge.

The RR has to reload, yes. But when you take the actual shot, you just acquire your target and fire before anything gets a lock on you. You take out the threat and you're able to take cover and stop to reload. Charging the Quasar Cannon is the equivalent of stopping to reload, but having to expose yourself while doing it, and if you have to stop charging, you don't start where you left off. Reloading, on the other hand, has stages. If you have to stop, you start again where you left off.

There's a vast difference between stats on paper and actual in-game application. It's a great weapon for doing what it does, but it's not busted. It has a fairly specific use-case, and does poorly outside of it. E.g. Clearing Medium armor spam.

It doesn't invalidate other options. They each have their strengths and weaknesses. Personally, I find Devastator and Walker spam to be more of a threat than Hulks or Tanks, so the Autocannon feels more useful to me.

TLDR: The Quasar Cannon is balanced.

[Chocbomb]

Ah, the bot sympathiser is unbanned, yay.

The alternative is EATS, that can crash your game just from calling down Support Stratagems.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1blt4ra/bad_news_helldivers_the_science_is_in_and_it/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1bmm1py/worse_news_helldivers_the_science_is_even_more_in/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9FVLQPoKuI

[Loot]

Originally posted by Chocbomb:

Ah, the bot sympathiser is unbanned, yay.

I got banned for calling someone childish after they went into a bunch of threads and spammed childish comments. Meanwhile, people saying much, much worse things go unchecked. Yay. Gotta love the mods. Paragons, truly.

[North_Dumpling]

Its a PvE game, who cares if its op. Just play the game

[jbwjr]

Originally posted by North_Dumpling:

Its a PvE game, who cares if its op. Just play the game

Have you see the forum posts since these things came out today? Alot of people apperently.

[Loot]

Originally posted by Chocbomb:

Ah, the bot sympathiser is unbanned, yay.

The alternative is EATS, that can crash your game just from calling down Support Stratagems.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1blt4ra/bad_news_helldivers_the_science_is_in_and_it/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1bmm1py/worse_news_helldivers_the_science_is_even_more_in/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9FVLQPoKuI

So, was that comment just to talk about how I got banned, or? Doesn't seem like you actually wanted to add anything to the conversation, but rather be combative.

[ImHelping]

I wonder how so many people have not noticed the quasar cannon also seems to deal less damage than rockets?

Seems fussy in trying to get one shot sniper tower vent kills compared to real rockets. It is also pretty wild getting more proof "Either chainsaw bots ARE overtuned, or this weapon is not overpowered" when you shoot a chainsaw dude in the chest, and they shrug it off like a DBZ villain (if so hurt it just takes a little primary fire to finish the job. Shame they brought friends!)

Honestly the reason to take it over EATS is the same reason to take anything other than my formerly beloved eats. higher difficulty ♥♥♥♥♥ over eat use with long cooldowns, ion storms, ECM towers, and piles of spam.

On paper the EAT is great. In practice the reality of awkward inconvenience modifiers make even solo reloading the recoilless start to look tempting by comparison.

Plus the EAT has a delay between switching to it, and being allowed to fire nearly as long as charging the quasar anyways! If you want a quick eat snapshot you need to pull it out ahead of time.

A real shame because my first titan seen and killed was with a panic eat call down. Anyone still running low difficulty should enjoy the EAT while it is fully practical.

[asura]

Originally posted by Chocbomb:

The alternative is EATS, that can crash your game just from calling down Support Stratagems.

I have never had this happen and I spam EATs all over the map. So does my friend. You can literally see the path we took by all the EATs icons on the map.

Originally posted by Loot:

I got banned for calling someone childish after they went into a bunch of threads and spammed childish comments. Meanwhile, people saying much, much worse things go unchecked. Yay. Gotta love the mods. Paragons, truly.

And yeah. Bugsex and politiking is okay but "childish" and "clown farm" (my ban) are egregious unforgivable court marshal.

[Loot]

Originally posted by ImHelping:

I wonder how so many people have not noticed the quasar cannon also seems to deal less damage than rockets?

Seems fussy in trying to get one shot sniper tower vent kills compared to real rockets. It is also pretty wild getting more proof "Either chainsaw bots ARE overtuned, or this weapon is not overpowered" when you shoot a chainsaw dude in the chest, and they shrug it off like a DBZ villain (if so hurt it just takes a little primary fire to finish the job. Shame they brought friends!)

It definitely seems to do less damage. Can EATs one-shot a Hulk from behind? I can't remember, but I haven't managed it with the Quasar. I've killed with one headshot, but not with a single vent shot.

Also, yeah. It's pointless to shoot medium armor enemies that come in 20s with it. xD
Rather have an Autocannon for that.

[Loot]

Originally posted by asura:

Originally posted by Chocbomb:

The alternative is EATS, that can crash your game just from calling down Support Stratagems.

I have never had this happen and I spam EATs all over the map. So does my friend. You can literally see the path we took by all the EATs icons on the map.

Originally posted by Loot:

I got banned for calling someone childish after they went into a bunch of threads and spammed childish comments. Meanwhile, people saying much, much worse things go unchecked. Yay. Gotta love the mods. Paragons, truly.

And yeah. Bugsex and politiking is okay but "childish" and "clown farm" (my ban) are egregious unforgivable court marshal.

Actually, I have had calling in an EAT crash my game, but it was when I called it in and it landed on another hellpod, leading me to believe that it's something to do with particles that causes the crashes.

[靐]

Me, with grenades exploit: yes, keep talking about quasar.

[George W. Swoosh]

It’s a great weapon.

It needs no nerfs. It is fine.

[Loot]

Originally posted by George W. Swoosh:

It’s a great weapon.

It needs no nerfs. It is fine.

Indeed. People completely ignore the opportunity cost of having to charge it for 5 seconds. I've had a large number of enemies end up turning away from me, blocking off line of sight to their weakspot, where an instant fire weapon would have had time to nail it.

[Key]

Originally posted by Loot:

On paper.

Hah. You got me, ngl.

[Mister Sir]

There up and downs to this weapon. I can one shot bug holes and bot factories, but so can many other weapons at faster speed.

It can take down bosses pretty well with 1-2 shots and even drop ships, so can a lot of other things.

It's infinite ammo is offset by the charge and cd timer and it is a clear hammer for big nails. Another big benefit of quasar is ability to bring backpack.

Now compared to other weapons, it's absolute ♥♥♥♥ vs smaller enemies, where it's either impractical or you gonna get swarmed while charging it or outright not killing stalkers and berserkers in one shot. Compared to autocannon which can be run as basically a primary, has tons of ammo so you will really never run out, at least I don't and I spam it, can take out objectives but it can't really deal with chargers, bile titans, and drop ships. It can deal better with devastators, arguably hulks as well, but also has it's own back pack.

Basically there is give and take to quasar and it's counter parts. The weapon is quite honestly is in a good spot and any changes to it can either make it not worth it or make it too strong. Should be left as it is now.

[Loot]

Originally posted by Key:

Originally posted by Loot:

On paper.

Hah. You got me, ngl.

c: