Machine Gun Comparison

[Fox]

There are now three different machine guns. From light to heavy, there's the Stalwart, the standard MG, and now the HMG. Here's my take on each.

The Stalwart is fairly useful because it has a large capacity of ammo and can deal with light units quickly and efficiently, while not being too cumbersome because you're able to reload on the move and can shoot reliably while standing or even moving. Great for shredding light units of all types, and even medium ones because you have enough ammo to send copious amounts of lead down range for accuracy in volume.

One step up to the MG and now you have something that's beginning to be unwieldy because it must be reloaded while stationary and can't be accurate unless crouching. It does have more power and armor penetration, so it's better on medium armor units like brood commanders and devastators, but it runs out of ammo incredibly quickly so the usefulness is somewhat limited. Able to clear chaff, deals with medium units slightly faster than the Stalwart, but doesn't really shine on it's own in any particular category.

Finally, the new HMG. This stupid thing doesn't have a third person reticle and the scope isn't even close to accurate. Not only do you have to turn it down to the minimum fire rate, go prone, wear fortified armor, and use first person view to be able to get in the vicinity of your target, but it doesn't really have a specific role because the accuracy is so poor and the amount of ammo is even less than the MG. Still medium armor pen, able to damage a Hulk in the faceplate but good effing luck even landing a single shot there. It's frankly useless in my opinion, an unwieldy waste of a strategem.

[imsouporcereal]

They should have made the HMG a belt-fed minigun that could be assisted by a teammate.

You're right... It seems like a waste of a Stratagem right now unless someone finds a use for it.

[Footman]

Unless they readjust the new gun, the best HMG is the Emplacement. Generous ammo with no reload needed, targeting reticle (most of the time) and Medium AP.

[Tomos]

I find the HMG performs okay. I can keep it on 750rpm and still get semi-auto fire with fast enough clicking. Sweeping a row of bots is pretty satisfying, as it can often 1 body shot normal bots. It doesn't do nearly enough to Rocket Devastators or Walkers, and does nothing at all to Chargers. I do like stunning a Hulk and taking it out in a few shots, but with the long reload time and miserable accuracy its not worth it. Taking a Supply Backpack helps a lot though.

[Sevuz]

Yeah, the MG-101 is totally useless as it is now. Not sure what they were thinking

[Dragova]

Originally posted by Sevuz:

Not sure what they were thinking

What implies they were thinking? Got a lot of weapons and things that don't stand out so well. Given how much praise the Quasar Cannon is getting, they'll probably nerf that into the ground.

[Silverlight]

Originally posted by Dragova:

Originally posted by Sevuz:

Not sure what they were thinking

What implies they were thinking? Got a lot of weapons and things that don't stand out so well. Given how much praise the Quasar Cannon is getting, they'll probably nerf that into the ground.

It'll be a shadow nerf though. I think they shadow nerfed a few guns so far.

[Das Trojanische Pferd]

Originally posted by imsouporcereal:

They should have made the HMG a belt-fed minigun that could be assisted by a teammate.

You're right... It seems like a waste of a Stratagem right now unless someone finds a use for it.

what do you want to assist on a belt feed minigun? moral support? patting his head for every kill?

[Death a Barbar]

the stalwart is useless, because it is essentially a primary in a stratagem/support slot, the scythe does the exact same job too, but better

the regular mg is very good if you manage your rate of fire, lowest for moving, medium/highest for defending, it has enough ammo to hold down a wave easily, it's more team oriented for sure, but it's really good against medium enemies

the heavy mg is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, only usable on lowest rpm, and then what's the point?

[Noble Ten]

The Stalwart was a primary in the first game. I not idea why its a special weapon now. A compact LMG could easily be a primary. It had lost its stopping power for being more agile to use (reload on the move and an extra clip.

[imsouporcereal]

Originally posted by Troja:

Originally posted by imsouporcereal:

They should have made the HMG a belt-fed minigun that could be assisted by a teammate.

You're right... It seems like a waste of a Stratagem right now unless someone finds a use for it.

what do you want to assist on a belt feed minigun? moral support? patting his head for every kill?

I was thinking like a teammate could carry the backpack with the belt ammo, and it would feed ammo from the backpack to the gun. So basically you and teammate would be tethered together but your teammate could still shoot their own gun.

But if the HMG decides to carry his own pack, he would have to stand still to fire it.

I thought it was cool idea anyway...

[Brother Bigot]

Originally posted by Death a Barbar:

the stalwart is useless, because it is essentially a primary in a stratagem/support slot, the scythe does the exact same job too, but better

the regular mg is very good if you manage your rate of fire, lowest for moving, medium/highest for defending, it has enough ammo to hold down a wave easily, it's more team oriented for sure, but it's really good against medium enemies

the heavy mg is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, only usable on lowest rpm, and then what's the point?

It’s ok if you’re pairing it with plasma or slugger

At least with bugs you have plasma or slugger for hive guard and brood commanders hell even chargers then the stalwart can act as your anti hunter spam gun.

[Brother Bigot]

Yeah the hmg should have been a backpack weapon

The downside of the weapon should have been it takes the backpack slot and not

Awful recoil
No 3rd person is reticle
Misaligned first person sights

Their ideas for balancing are really inconsistent as well
Because they added a straight upgrade to the recoilless with a recharging backpackless rocket launcher with the quasar cannon along with this absolutely terrible hmg.

[Das Trojanische Pferd]

Originally posted by Finger:

Yeah the hmg should have been a backpack weapon

The downside of the weapon should have been it takes the backpack slot and not

Awful recoil
No 3rd person is reticle
Misaligned first person sights

Their ideas for balancing are really inconsistent as well
Because they added a straight upgrade to the recoilless with a recharging backpackless rocket launcher with the quasar cannon along with this absolutely terrible hmg.

the quasar is ok if you whant to focus on heavy but the problem is even if i shoot a tank in the weakspot then and it didn`t care

[Fox]

Originally posted by Finger:

Yeah the hmg should have been a backpack weapon

The downside of the weapon should have been it takes the backpack slot and not

Awful recoil
No 3rd person is reticle
Misaligned first person sights

Their ideas for balancing are really inconsistent as well
Because they added a straight upgrade to the recoilless with a recharging backpackless rocket launcher with the quasar cannon along with this absolutely terrible hmg.

Nah, the quantum cannon is more like a reusable EAT with a spinup and cooldown. I think it's fairly well balanced considering those two things. It's not as useful as an EAT because you can't grab one and bonk two chargers at close range in quick succession, and it's not a teamloadable like the recoilless, so it fills a fairly unique role while being similar.

[Brother Bigot]

Originally posted by Troja:

Originally posted by Finger:

Yeah the hmg should have been a backpack weapon

The downside of the weapon should have been it takes the backpack slot and not

Awful recoil
No 3rd person is reticle
Misaligned first person sights

Their ideas for balancing are really inconsistent as well
Because they added a straight upgrade to the recoilless with a recharging backpackless rocket launcher with the quasar cannon along with this absolutely terrible hmg.

the quasar is ok if you whant to focus on heavy but the problem is even if i shoot a tank in the weakspot then and it didn`t care

Shooting a tank in its weakspot with a rocket and it not dying or taking any more damage than normal, is normal

it’s one of my main problems with bots right now, shooting the vents of tower guns, hulks and tanks should be a one shot with a rocket but it’s not it doesn’t count as a weak point hit.