Diligence counter sniper

[Crossbone]

It feels way too similar to the original Diligence, the attack power gain is marginal compared to the increase in recoil and less ammo per mag not even armor piercing...what's the point?

[MagikarpMagi]

If you use the search function on this forum (over there -->), there have been a lot of discussions on this topic including people sharing results from their own in-game testing.

But largely, the consensus is that it doesn't hit any meaningful break points to be better.

[Quadsword]

There's basically only 3 good primaries - the Sickle, the Defender SMG, and the Breaker shotgun.

[Blaze Shadowflame]

It has more powerful sights so you can hit more distant targets. That is where the list of benefits ends. The increase in damage is so small that it kills nothing faster over its standard counterpart, and is outright weaker in all other areas. The devs are planning to add weapon modding at some point so maybe it will offer something useful then. For now though, just use the regular diligence.

[tv]

yeah regular diligence is amazing against bots

[Lesurous]

Publicado originalmente por Quadsword:

There's basically only 3 good primaries - the Sickle, the Defender SMG, and the Breaker shotgun.

Both the Punisher and Slugger shotguns are good against bots due to their ability to stunlock Devastators and quickly dispatch Berserkers, while being effective at taking down regular troopers on top. Prefer the Slugger against bugs since it penetrates medium armor, you can completely blow the legs off a hive guard in one shot with it, and if your aim is good headshots on bile spewers interrupt their vomit while taking around three shots to kill.

[Madjar]

Publicado originalmente por Quadsword:

There's basically only 3 good primaries - the Sickle, the Defender SMG, and the Breaker shotgun.

Laughs in dominator
Slugger and the other pump shotgun are also great

[MagikarpMagi]

Publicado originalmente por Quadsword:

There's basically only 8 good primaries - the Sickle, the Scorcher, the Defender SMG, the OG Liberator, the Slugger, the Jar5 and the Breaker shotgun, both regular and incendiary

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[Imnuktam]

I dont see the point of any of the weapons in that class. Shotguns are so superior they are pointless. Shotguns have great range and snap accuracy when going from target to target. Sniper and weapons like diligence feel so swimmy I just cant stand to use them as you point at a target and then wait one second for your recticle to catch up over and over going from target to target.

I didnt even finish a whole mission with that thing when I tried it, after 15 min i just grabbed literally whatever someone dropped on the ground after dying and it felt like an upgrade.

Publicado originalmente por CritMasterFlex:

Publicado originalmente por Quadsword:

There's basically only 8 good primaries - the Sickle, the Scorcher, the Defender SMG, the OG Liberator, the Slugger, the Jar5 and the Breaker shotgun, both regular and incendiary

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Except for Jar5 I agree with this list and assessment.

[Markus Reese]

Publicado originalmente por Madjar:

Publicado originalmente por Quadsword:

There's basically only 3 good primaries - the Sickle, the Defender SMG, and the Breaker shotgun.

Laughs in dominator
Slugger and the other pump shotgun are also great

The liberator penetrator is also great if got name right.

Too many neglect stability and weight of gun. The two Diligence have different scopes and precision. Sniper being heavier and slower to respond but more zoom and precision.

Is like difference between Stalwart and a Machine gun. One is more powerful, but is not just spray and pray. Gotta know how to use it correctly.

The sniper? Can pop a hulk right in the eye scanner if good at sniping for example.

Vs bugs, I prefer something with armor pen. Sniping rarely of value.

[Quadsword]

Publicado originalmente por CritMasterFlex:

Publicado originalmente por Quadsword:

There's basically only 8 good primaries - the Sickle, the Scorcher, the Defender SMG, the OG Liberator, the Slugger, the Jar5 and the Breaker shotgun, both regular and incendiary

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I've never seen a single person use the scorcher, slugger, or dominator.

[MagikarpMagi]

Publicado originalmente por Quadsword:

Publicado originalmente por CritMasterFlex:

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I've never seen a single person use the scorcher, slugger, or dominator.

The Jar5 and Slugger are great med armor pen options in a primary. The Slugger is the better of the two and honestly liking the Jar5 is probably a bit niche. (They're the gun you bring when the Stalwart is really your primary)

Scorcher is fun because you can shoot scout walkers in the face and kill them because the aoe explosion hurts them through their front shield.

All 3 of those are imo better options against bots, but Slugger swings both ways.

[Imnuktam]

Publicado originalmente por Quadsword:

Publicado originalmente por CritMasterFlex:

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I've never seen a single person use the scorcher, slugger, or dominator.

Probably because scorcher is the last in the line of unlocks,. I have every weapon but that one unlocked and am still another 165 medals away from it. It rocks, every time I play with someone using it I am secretly hoping they die so i can pick it up and use it rest of run. Wish it had a bit more ammo but its a nice weapon either way.

Slugger? Come on, that gun is everywhere. I just dont think you are paying enough attention if you dont see people using that.

[Orums]

it's much better at distance and wide open maps on higher difficulties. Helps with one tapping slightly uparmored grunts and moving targets. other than that, using it in general play is a challenge and a half to git gud at mid-close range.

[shadain597]

I saw someone in another thread claim that the DCS has less damage drop-off at long range compared to the standard Diligence, and also that the DCS might have bonus damage to weakpoints. Haven't checked myself though. A sniper that can't pen medium armor seems to be of limited value IMO, at least against the 2 current foes. Standard Diligence is okay vs bots, but most primaries are probably as good or better.

[MagikarpMagi]

Publicado originalmente por Crossbone:

not even armor piercing...what's the point?

Publicado originalmente por shadain597:

A sniper that can't pen medium armor seems to be of limited value IMO

Oh, I forgot about this until now, but I think the DCS is secretly medium armor pen, like the Slugger.