All future Sony games will require PSN login, Sony W

[Murge]

And that's the correct thing to do, complaining PC users don't want to sign up to PSN so no games for them.
180+ regions blocked from buying Helldivers 2 or Ghost of Tsushima, people review bombed their game, this is what they get.
Sony W

[Caçambito]

Originally posted by Tram:

Ok, just remember they cared more about the PCs opinion than yours.

LOL XD

[½-ŠmºkëÐ]

Originally posted by Nirnad:

Sony is a Company. Companies want to make money. PC sells will give them money.
Even the loss of goodwill or bad publicity is no factor when the bottom line is positive. That's what risk management is for.
Increase in sales and therefor money is the only crucial factor for a Company.

So when they (AAA corps) create flop after flop that no one buys, with bloated budgets and abysmal reviews, yet they still stay in business... you have to wonder where the money is coming from, if not from sales.

[Cruna]

Well Steam is a FAR bigger market than anything Sony ever had. If they don't like money, by all means they can keep their exclussives. PC gaming is a mountain compared to the grain of sand consoles can list in the library.

But my guess is, that they DO like the money, and this will not affect anything. Just Sony doesn't have such a big influence on the PC gaming market as they believed that they do. Our place, our rules.

[Murge]

Originally posted by Tsela:

Well Steam is a FAR bigger market than anything Sony ever had. If they don't like money, by all means they can keep their exclussives. PC gaming is a mountain compared to the grain of sand consoles can list in the library.

So much shovelware, can't wait to play the "generic asset shooter 32571"

[GrimAtrament]

Originally posted by Apples:

Originally posted by GrimAtrament:

Exclusives were never profitable in the industry as you are limiting the amount of people who can buy from you. Only reason Nintendo gets away with it is literally pure nostalgia.

people like to point at exclusives that make a lot of money, but don't imagine how much more that exclusive would have made if it was on all platforms that could support it spec wise.

You miss the point of exclusives, it's about bringing them to whatever platform it is exclusive too, it's a lure, bait to get you onto it, from that, Sony, Microsoft, EA, Ubi, Epic earn their money, as once you are on there, you're likely to spend more money on that platform.

Most developers are paid a nice chunk for that exclusivity too.

It's far more beneficial for consoles than it is for PC, for obvious reasons (need i explain why?)


Steam, Steam has never had to do it really, has it? that also is another rather obvious answer as to why.



As for Square Enix, well lets face it, most people have PC's that can game a little these days, and that will only increase in the future, reducing the console buyers even more so.
It's an obvious decision to move to a platform other than well, usually a console, tad late as they could have benefited more so from it already.

Nah you missed my point regardless of how much a console can pay a dev team for exclusively rights. They are still hamstring there game by putting it on a console that already has a limited player base and even more limited because there is no guarantee that it will have a large enough audience who are looking for that kind of game on the console.
Also as time goes on many are not willing to fork over half a thousand dollars console for one game. Feels as if both Microsoft and Sony forget what makes consoles preferable to PC when you can get a PC that performs better for almost the same price then you have failed as a console.

At the end of the day a dev would be better off putting it on platforms that can play it.
For example
Hades got almost no exposure until it came over to steam from its epic exclusively deal. The exclusiveity help so little that the devs didn't even bother doing it again for Hades 2.

It doesn't take a genius to notice exclusives are a dying breed for both Sony and Microsoft. Microsoft for it's part doesn't have a single exclusive that you can't get on PC. Microsoft also expressed interest in putting it's games on both ps and Nintendo.

The money given by consoles for exclusively is clearly not enough to offset the amount of money one would make on multiple platforms.

[Spectator]

Originally posted by Murge:

And that's the correct thing to do, complaining PC users don't want to sign up to PSN so no games for them.

In 20 years I've seen one game on console that was not available on PC, that I wanted.
I will never own a console.

[Kretias]

Originally posted by Murge:

Originally posted by Kretias:

The removal of Toxic people hasnt been achieved by either PSN or Microsoft and they will frankly never be able to do so.

People already rioted and review bombed against PSN since it would've allowed sony to ban cheaters and toxic people easier

Has what to do with what I said? Again: The removal of Toxic people hasnt been achieved by PSN or Microsoft. And they both will never able to achieve that either. No company will. Not even SK with its internet laws managed that.

[Murge]

Originally posted by Kretias:

Originally posted by Murge:

People already rioted and review bombed against PSN since it would've allowed sony to ban cheaters and toxic people easier

Has what to do with what I said? Again: The removal of Toxic people hasnt been achieved by PSN or Microsoft. And they both will never able to achieve that either. No company will. Not even SK with its internet laws managed that.

They will achieve it once it gets added

[Kretias]

Originally posted by Murge:

Originally posted by Tsela:

Well Steam is a FAR bigger market than anything Sony ever had. If they don't like money, by all means they can keep their exclussives. PC gaming is a mountain compared to the grain of sand consoles can list in the library.

So much shovelware, can't wait to play the "generic asset shooter 32571"

Yet Square Enix has decided to ignore Sony as far as exclusives go and refuses to make them anymore.

And it isnt Sony forcing their PSN (which is in no way different than any other companie forcing their launcher upon the players) but the way they forced it AFTER the purchase (their original reason holds no value and would get ignored in every court in the EU alone) and blocking access to the game to people that had already purchased and played.

And PSN hasnt achieved anything noteworthy in terms of battling toxicity. So using that as an argument is invalid.

[Kretias]

Originally posted by Murge:

Originally posted by Kretias:

Has what to do with what I said? Again: The removal of Toxic people hasnt been achieved by PSN or Microsoft. And they both will never able to achieve that either. No company will. Not even SK with its internet laws managed that.

They will achieve it once it gets added

Sure mate. Sony the messiah will remove toxicity after forcing a launcher where every other company under the sun failed with the same practice or even harder practices but hey Sony will surely achieve this.

[Otelemb]

Having less scummy publishers on PC is actually a good thing

[Akameka]

Originally posted by Kretias:

Originally posted by Murge:

They will achieve it once it gets added

Sure mate. Sony the messiah will remove toxicity after forcing a launcher where every other company under the sun failed with the same practice or even harder practices but hey Sony will surely achieve this.

indeed ! Automated moderating is so efficient !

" OMG I really want to have the ability to die my armor in black !"
User banned --> we have detected the use of toxicity in your speach.

[GoreTiger]

Sony doesn't need steam to survive, Just like Steam doesn't need sony to survive.

Sony has dominated the console scene for the past 20 years. Their film scene is doing great. Microsoft needs the PC market to make up for Xbox's disaster more then Sony does.

PC users like to forget they're the ones who begged Sony to put their games on pc. Sony does, Sony warns everyone they're going to require an account just like everyone else on pc does, The pc chuds cry.

Steam users will cry and rage at sony for wanting an account while at the same time shoving microsoft/ea/ubi's requirements right down their throats.

[KingOfBeingCorrect]

Originally posted by GoreTiger:

Sony doesn't need steam to survive, Just like Steam doesn't need sony to survive.

Sony has dominated the console scene for the past 20 years. Their film scene is doing great. Microsoft needs the PC market to make up for Xbox's disaster more then Sony does.

PC users like to forget they're the ones who begged Sony to put their games on pc. Sony does, Sony warns everyone they're going to require an account just like everyone else on pc does, The pc chuds cry.

Steam users will cry and rage at sony for wanting an account while at the same time shoving microsoft/ea/ubi's requirements right down their throats.

Except more and more devs are pulling out of "exclusives" and consoles aren't doing nearly as hot as they once did. For example square Enix a notoriously PS exclusive title has said console exclusives have only dropped their margins, so they will likely not partake in them anymore and aiming at releases across as many platforms as possible. Because it's just smart. Sony doesn't need Steam, but it's important they have PC releases for longevity, or they wouldn't have started to sell their exclusives to PC at all.

[GoreTiger]

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

Originally posted by GoreTiger:

Sony doesn't need steam to survive, Just like Steam doesn't need sony to survive.

Sony has dominated the console scene for the past 20 years. Their film scene is doing great. Microsoft needs the PC market to make up for Xbox's disaster more then Sony does.

PC users like to forget they're the ones who begged Sony to put their games on pc. Sony does, Sony warns everyone they're going to require an account just like everyone else on pc does, The pc chuds cry.

Steam users will cry and rage at sony for wanting an account while at the same time shoving microsoft/ea/ubi's requirements right down their throats.

Except more and more devs are pulling out of "exclusives" and consoles aren't doing nearly as hot as they once did. For example square Enix a notoriously PS exclusive title has said console exclusives have only dropped their margins, so they will likely not partake in them anymore and aiming at releases across as many platforms as possible. Because it's just smart. Sony doesn't need Steam, but it's important they have PC releases for longevity, or they wouldn't have started to sell their exclusives to PC at all.

Considering how volatile the market is right now and the economy, You're going to see more and more studios signing exclusive deals soon. Exclusive deals come with promised payments and funding. Why do you think so many studios took the gamepass deals?
Sure, in the long run it might of reduced their overall potential pay, But some studios like taking the deal that means they're fore sure getting paid then risking the 3rd party potential.

Xbox is putting their games on playstation because Xbox is a failure. Sony is putting their games on PC because PC begged them and because they're looking to expand their revenue stream to counter Microsoft's new acquisitions.

Also SE isn't the best example. Their exclusive deals didn't sink the company, The company is just managed extremely poorly. XIV is pretty much the only thing keeping them off life support.