The whole story now told - PSN issue

[Nopax]

i am retracting and changing the topic altogether after reading and pooling information.

1- the whole matter of this is money.

-explanation: sony is a company that has agreements with countries about what taxes are paid in each country for the pricing to be placed in said countries - what do people hate most? pay taxes - they evaded them by purchasing game keys from other countries that paid lesser taxes and the prices were lower. countries had to enforce the tax payment and sony had to create the regions - they needed to know the country of residence so that they would know the tax you had to pay and enforce bans to people that evaded paying taxes as well.

2- arrowhead has helldivers 2 on sony's servers

explanation:
sony for all bad and wrongs is a company that wants to protect itself the best it can - they can't have a game they can't moderate on their servers - this whole issue would be fixed if they had a backend way to moderate set with valve - but valve has to protect her interests and of course won't give access that could harm them.

now we move even further - they couldnt tax the steam players correctly and sold copies to players that shouldnt play the game according to the laws in place ..

ways to solve the situation - refund is a morally correct pact - but i think most of the players prefer to play the game and dont care about a refund unless they won't be able to play.

unfortunately the only sure way to solve this is by sending messages to your country representatives with a large amounts of signatures to ask for a law to be placed and try to solve the region issue with sony - nothing else will solve this. placing another country as your place of residence is tax evasion and will be a just cause for ban.

i know this isnt what people want to hear - they just want to hate and throw stones - its just a game - let us play - .. unfortunately the real world has rules we need to follow in the internet as well - its not pretty but the truth.


EXTRA EXTRA:
After review even more the situation - i can also declare that SONY scammed people.
i wasn't aware that SONY's website was claiming that the game didn't need a forced PSN account Login in the past. now this changes things because helldivers 2 is a SONY game and the game description requirement on steam doesn't matter if the main developer page says it is optional.

they changed the description after the announcement in the hopes that no one would notice. - People Did- and is grounds for accountability.

people saw the description and bought the game on steam under false advertisement.

i apologise that i hadn't understood this fulcral point in the past (had a few people mentioning it vaguely) and had to think hard for some time to understand it - seems im not very bright -

[Chervilious]

It's not region lock. It's region ban.

There is region pricing. But it's different from region ban. That is, if you're in a certain country, you could not make an account.

[ArtyPortwain]

Yet people in these countries can buy HD2 on steam, but there is no real option to make a PSN account for them. How's that, mate?

[Zero]

Originally posted by ArtyPortwain:

Yet people in these countries can buy HD2 on steam, but there is no real option to make a PSN account for them. How's that, mate?

People like this will ignore whatever fact you show them. useless to argue with them, might as well let their discussion thread become irrelevant.

[Skrain]

Wow what an ignorant post you have no idea what you're talking about, you should stop.

[Saeletra]

Originally posted by Zero:

Originally posted by ArtyPortwain:

Yet people in these countries can buy HD2 on steam, but there is no real option to make a PSN account for them. How's that, mate?

People like this will ignore whatever fact you show them. useless to argue with them, might as well let their discussion thread become irrelevant.

Also making a VPN and a burner account doesn't hold itself much credence when they can ban you for it since it goes against their TOS. You lose access to the game regardless. This is what happened to me back in the way with Bloodbourne. I got banned because I tried to do this exact thing lmao. It's not a revolutionary idea and people have done it before.

[Nopax]

actually i had no idea about regions banned - in that specific situation yes people that are under this situation need a way to resolve it but we need to know the reason for why their country are region banned - i won't go to a rally about it if i have no idea about the reasons behind it - can people elucidate me on which countries this is happening to and the reason behind it?

[Nopax]

this is because all the people crying on the internet that i fast googled seem to be complaining about what i mentioned - locked or banned for using keys of other regions.

[13thPalace]

Originally posted by Nopax:

actually i had no idea about regions banned - in that specific situation yes people that are under this situation need a way to resolve it but we need to know the reason for why their country are region banned - i won't go to a rally about it if i have no idea about the reasons behind it - can people elucidate me on which countries this is happening to and the reason behind it?

So you created a topic, but you don't even know about the issue then?

Certain regions can't create PSN accounts, yet those regions had the game sold to them already. PSN accounts are becoming mandatory to continue playing. Apparently this was always planned, yet they still sold the game in regions with no PSN accounts.

[Nopax]

Originally posted by 13thPalace:

Originally posted by Nopax:

actually i had no idea about regions banned - in that specific situation yes people that are under this situation need a way to resolve it but we need to know the reason for why their country are region banned - i won't go to a rally about it if i have no idea about the reasons behind it - can people elucidate me on which countries this is happening to and the reason behind it?

So you created a topic, but you don't even know about the issue then?

Certain regions can't create PSN accounts, yet those regions had the game sold to them already. PSN accounts are becoming mandatory to continue playing. Apparently this was always planned, yet they still sold the game in regions with no PSN accounts.

no - i am asking because there aren't O.o - its a smokescreen people are making to try force a situation that doesnt exist?? -- there are no regions where you can't create a psn account. people can be banned and locked out for using keys of diferent regions - thats my point.

[Nopax]

yes there are bans -- but those are justified - there are countries banning game types for excessive violence -- want to change that? get elected and change it.

here are info about those i quick searched :

https://codeswholesale.com/blog/15-countries-that-ban-video-gamesin-different-countries/

https://0451games.substack.com/p/sony-psn-india-account-ban-ps5-game-sales-ps4

now show me some proof that i'm wrong.

[Stalker]

Originally posted by Nopax:

yes there are bans -- but those are justified - there are countries banning game types for excessive violence -- want to change that? get elected and change it.

here are info about those i quick searched :

https://codeswholesale.com/blog/15-countries-that-ban-video-gamesin-different-countries/

https://0451games.substack.com/p/sony-psn-india-account-ban-ps5-game-sales-ps4

now show me some proof that i'm wrong.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cj3gez/because_people_ask_why_some_others_complain_about/

[Slaieth]

Originally posted by Nopax:

you ppl are creating issues where the problem is not with the game company or sony or steam altogether..
"regions where PSN is not available" i'm sorry but i don't understand what the hell you guys are talking about.. PSN regions are locked because of contries and their legislation on games - when you create the PSN network --what you are locked to is to the country you live in to pay taxes on the games you buy - yeah no one likes taxes but thats society rules people.

the region lock is to make people buy game keys using the pricing on their country -for example: before people could go to a poor country to buy the game steam key there, where your coin would value more and purchase the game key by a smidgen of the price. the price diference was made to allow gamers from all over the world to play with a price that is based on the paychecks that their famillies can afford. and also to pay taxes to the country you live in. (*in some countries its illegal to buy games without paying taxes you know*). if you dont like this like me.. well.. get elected to your country parlament and change the rules.

how do they know the prices famillies can afford -- each nations minimum wage is known worldwide ppl.

stop criticizing the game if you don't understand economics and legislations.

sony is not the bad guy or steam. its people escaping taxes.

and the issue in using a PSN account? don't want it linked to you? just create a email and link it to a psn account - save it and dont use it if you don't want to. whats the problem if
its not linked to anything you use?

AND

we get more players to play with to do the community events. with joel around we will need all the help we can muster.

It's ok. You tried.

[Adramalius]

Originally posted by Nopax:

no - i am asking because there aren't O.o - its a smokescreen people are making to try force a situation that doesnt exist?? -- there are no regions where you can't create a psn account. people can be banned and locked out for using keys of diferent regions - thats my point.

Here's an example for you.
The country is Kazakhstan, there is no PSN, because All of Kazakhstan uses Russian PSN, also Armenia, Belarus, etc. CIS...
Russia under sanctions Russia's PSN is blocked.
Russia cannot buy Helldivers 2 on Steam either.
BUT Kazakhstan Can buy Helldivers 2 and play it, but cannot create a PSN for itself, even though there are no sanctions in the country.
Sony simply does not want to make the region and ignores the problems.

[Adramalius]

I just found out that Sony will also track what currency donations are purchased in the game.. (Is this true? I think this is possible).
Total Steam, my region is Kazakhstan and the currency of my country is Tenge.
In the PSN of Russia, the Russian currency is rubles.
To play Helldivers 2 you need a PSN account (which I can only create via VPN) from the allowed list.. hahaha. And the currency will not be from my country, so Sony can ban me at any time?

[Nopax]

Originally posted by Adramalius:

Originally posted by Nopax:

no - i am asking because there aren't O.o - its a smokescreen people are making to try force a situation that doesnt exist?? -- there are no regions where you can't create a psn account. people can be banned and locked out for using keys of diferent regions - thats my point.

Here's an example for you.
The country is Kazakhstan, there is no PSN, because All of Kazakhstan uses Russian PSN, also Armenia, Belarus, etc. CIS...
Russia under sanctions Russia's PSN is blocked.
Russia cannot buy Helldivers 2 on Steam either.
BUT Kazakhstan Can buy Helldivers 2 and play it, but cannot create a PSN for itself, even though there are no sanctions in the country.
Sony simply does not want to make the region and ignores the problems.

:lh_lich:

thank you - i had not found any issues until you pointed Kazakhstan out - i am reading that issue right now - the last communicato about it is a year old when the prime minister of Kazakhstan wanted to make a deal with sony - no post after it ..

in this case you probably have to send a email to sony and talk it out with them to see what you can do - making false statements creating the account can lead to a ban --

but ths issue is - from day one helldivers 2 said you needed Psn account - why buy the game if you can't use it?

i also have games i can't play that are region locked in korea .. i understand. but don't blame steam -- blame the damn legislators and politicians.