new jungle map and eagle stratagems

[Xan84]

Thy miss so much man, trees or not, something should be done about it. I lost so many 500k bombs and aistrikes. Damn annoying lol.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Xan84:

new jungle map and eagle stratagems
Thy miss so much man, trees or not, something should be done about it. I lost so many 500k bombs and aistrikes. Damn annoying lol.

I have never had issues with Eagle on that map.

[Trig_Zero]

imo 500kgs should go through trees like they're twigs

[Judge Lazar]

Originally posted by Xan84:

Thy miss so much man, trees or not, something should be done about it. I lost so many 500k bombs and aistrikes. Damn annoying lol.

This is a good thing . New biomes should have unique aspects that have tangible effects on gameplay. On Garcrux, it's the dense tree cover making air strikes less reliable because the bombs explode in the tree canopy most times. Protip: Artillery is your friend on Garcrux. The actual shells are able to penetrate the trees and make it to the ground and are effective at taking out large areas of said trees, improving visibility.

[Xan84]

Originally posted by Judge Lazar:

Originally posted by Xan84:

Thy miss so much man, trees or not, something should be done about it. I lost so many 500k bombs and aistrikes. Damn annoying lol.

This is a good thing . New biomes should have unique aspects that have tangible effects on gameplay. On Garcrux, it's the dense tree cover making air strikes less reliable because the bombs explode in the tree canopy most times. Protip: Artillery is your friend on Garcrux. The actual shells are able to penetrate the trees and make it to the ground and are effective at taking out large areas of said trees, improving visibility.

Perhaps its a good thing, depends who you ask, Also, a damn 500k bomb would go trough trees like a hot knife trough butter. Same with airstrikes. Trees are not a defense,

[Plagen]

Consider this: Alter your playstyle.

[Xan84]

Originally posted by Plagen:

Consider this: Alter your playstyle.

I don't think this is intended by the devs. When we have planetary conditions that effect us one way or another its described in the mission/planet tab, thing.

[DorsaShadow]

Gacrux causes one to think about how to employ strats. How best to position ourselves to achieve desired result. And yes we do not always have the best positioning to accomplish desired result 100% of the time. Perhaps using a barrage or carpet bombing strat to clear area then employing airstrike as followup tactic. Would need a member of team to carry different strats to accomplish desired result using above tactic. Would also promote teamwork within a team. Have a pleasant day!

[ELX-Sevazinho☄]

Yeah, something need to be done, aim correctly your airstrikes. Trees are natural barriers, you should know something about chemical weapons...

[Chariot]

personally i think envrionmental defects to deter certain popular strategems is definitely the way to go, There's ways to clear out trees, You have to think or use orbitals

[Eugen]

Some short time ago there was or is an planetary event (on such type of jungle map) that increased airstrike spread by 30 or 50%. Making Airstrikes useless or deadly for your own side. But only for a limited time.
It was stated as "Orbital Strikes got higher spread" but they probably mean Airstrikes (you see that in the effects tab for the choosen planet if you're on your ship (down right corner).

The Airstrikes on such type of map worked for me some days ago precisely.

[Judge Lazar]

Originally posted by Xan84:

Perhaps its a good thing, depends who you ask, Also, a damn 500k bomb would go trough trees like a hot knife trough butter. Same with airstrikes. Trees are not a defense,

You would think so but it would greatly depend on the bomb and it's intended targets (meaning what it was made to destroy). A 500kg, yes would absolutely go through a tree or two but that would eat up a lot of it's momentum, making it less effective at it's intended use, penetration of the intended target before detonation. Cluster bombs generally have very thin cases (real world) and actually open long before they get close to the ground. Being smaller explosive charges designed to detonate easily, because they're very light, would have a hard time being effective through dense tree cover. The normal airstrike is obviously a middle ground and the trees on Garcrux are very thick and very large. A medium bomb like that would have issues getting through with some detonating in the trees and others being knocked off course. Which is somewhat accurately represented IMO with the normal airstrikes not being 100% effective.

[LoboFH]

I don't use Eagles in this map, only strifing eagle can work reliable here.

Even 500Kg is a dice roll, not only the bomb, sometimes even the beam gets placed in a totally random, weird location.

[Plagen]

Originally posted by Xan84:

Originally posted by Plagen:

Consider this: Alter your playstyle.

I don't think this is intended by the devs. When we have planetary conditions that effect us one way or another its described in the mission/planet tab, thing.

You don't think that having HUGE trees block attacks was intentional? Honestly, if they didn't do this, I'd be surprised.

[Xan84]

Originally posted by Chariot:

personally i think envrionmental defects to deter certain popular strategems is definitely the way to go, There's ways to clear out trees, You have to think or use orbitals

its not the way to go, its one less fun to do and 1 more ♥♥♥♥ to avoid when playing this game. I can select different planets and missions you know. That is what I do about other effects, like the thing that makes your stratagems take longer to land, I instantly skip anything with that stuff. We are playing a game here, in our free time, for entertainment and having fun. Are you actually telling me I am having to much fun using X and I should stop using X and go use Y that I like using far less? It does not work like that. The nerfs to the weapons got me to play far, FAR less then I used to.

Originally posted by Judge Lazar:

Originally posted by Xan84:

Perhaps its a good thing, depends who you ask, Also, a damn 500k bomb would go trough trees like a hot knife trough butter. Same with airstrikes. Trees are not a defense,

You would think so but it would greatly depend on the bomb and it's intended targets (meaning what it was made to destroy). A 500kg, yes would absolutely go through a tree or two but that would eat up a lot of it's momentum, making it less effective at it's intended use, penetration of the intended target before detonation. Cluster bombs generally have very thin cases (real world) and actually open long before they get close to the ground. Being smaller explosive charges designed to detonate easily, because they're very light, would have a hard time being effective through dense tree cover. The normal airstrike is obviously a middle ground and the trees on Garcrux are very thick and very large. A medium bomb like that would have issues getting through with some detonating in the trees and others being knocked off course. Which is somewhat accurately represented IMO with the normal airstrikes not being 100% effective.

The 500k has no need to penetrate, its a huge bomb going BOOM. Even if it would explode a bit up and not in the ground, it should actually do more damage to the titans. They end up doing nothing. It should go boom in a sphere blowing everything up around itself.
The carpet bomb, don't know how much it should go trough trees but we are talking about bombs that are shoot from a spaceship from a time that we can instantlly travel between planets trough the galaxy, if you are telling me TREES are to much of a defence, boy Super Earth has big issues.

Originally posted by Plagen:

Originally posted by Xan84:

I don't think this is intended by the devs. When we have planetary conditions that effect us one way or another its described in the mission/planet tab, thing.

You don't think that having HUGE trees block attacks was intentional? Honestly, if they didn't do this, I'd be surprised.

Oh yes, and next its a piece of paper providing protection against a nuke, makes as much sense as futuristic bombs getting nulified by a damn branch.

[Evilphd]

I've been using the gatling cannon in lew of the eagle on that one.