So, kicks just before extraction and samples?

[Pyronymer]

So lets say the host, without a word, decides that extracting 4 minutes early with nothing but a few extra bug hoies on the wrong side of the map not completed is a kick worthy offence.

Does the host and the rest of the squad get the 5 super samples you were carrying?

Do you?

What's up with that and does whatever it is need correcting?

[Korintheblack]

Originally posted by Pyronymer:

So lets say the host, without a word, decides that extracting 4 minutes early with nothing but a few extra bug hoies on the wrong side of the map not completed is a kick worthy offence.

Does the host and the rest of the squad get the 5 super samples you were carrying?

Do you?

What's up with that and does whatever it is need correcting?

You will drop the samples where you were located on the kick. They'd have to run and retrieve them.

[Chaos]

That host probably didn't even care about that samples, he just want to kick lol.

[Pyronymer]

Originally posted by Korintheblack:

You will drop the samples where you were located on the kick. They'd have to run and retrieve them.

Here is my suggestion then.

Dropping samples if kicked is a motivation for further griefing without penalty. A kicked player shouldn't drop samples.

Or weapons or backpacks come to think of it.

That sort of generosity is justified for disconnects and crashes, not kicks.

No idea what the kicked player "should" receive, but the kicking host/team clearly shouldn't get that stuff.

[Korintheblack]

Originally posted by Pyronymer:

Originally posted by Korintheblack:

You will drop the samples where you were located on the kick. They'd have to run and retrieve them.

Here is my suggestion then.

Dropping samples if kicked is a motivation for further griefing without penalty. A kicked player shouldn't drop samples.

Or weapons or backpacks come to think of it.

That sort of generosity is justified for disconnects and crashes, not kicks.

No idea what the kicked player "should" receive, but the kicking host/team clearly shouldn't get that stuff.

Hopefully devs will address this because it is increasingly becoming a problem as of late.

[Moffin Bovin]

if you are starting the extraction timer when the the other players are on the other side of the map, they have no way of knowing if you are going to wait for them or not.

They probably just assume you are going to get in and take off without them.

[Pyronymer]

Originally posted by Moffin Bovin:

if you are starting the extraction timer when the the other players are on the other side of the map, they have no way of knowing if you are going to wait for them or not.

They probably just assume you are going to get in and take off without them.

Did I say they were on the other side of the map? No, they were all over, and dying at a rapidly accelerating rate. And had not actually helped on main objectives at all. Or even some of the side objectives I soloed.

Only the remaining objectives worth any (insignificant) points at all were on the other side of the map, not the scattered and rapidly failing team.

And time to shuttle landing from calling is pretty long, and as long as the guys with the most valuable samples get out you're fine. I knew I had the only super samples in the team they were failing at achieving nothing, why not prompt them to return to the extract point?

Pinging walking over and waiting hadn't worked. Do I need to speak to them in the robot chat voice like some sort of monkey being tortured by Elon Musk? They didn't feel the need to let me know their plans with so much as a ping or an ability to walk in a single predictable direction towards an actual objective.

[Jozsefirst]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/553850/discussions/0/4339851480063938751/?tscn=1708875240

[Pyronymer]

Yeah look I'm not interested in that petition.

I am not at all confident that changing the authority from the host for kicks makes this problem better. It might make it worse.

I think there are definitely tweaks on things like sample drops and a better recent game/recent player information so you can counter such behaviour with blocks to prevent the same person from kicking you in future.

I think a vote kick doesn't make me feel better about my super samples going to the team that kicked me, in fact, it makes me feel worse about it. Because if its a vote then they all made a decision that hurt me and then were rewarded for my work.

At least now 1 guy makes a stupid decision and sure, why not the other two guys can have my samples, they may have had no idea what was going on at all.

[Moffin Bovin]

Originally posted by Pyronymer:

why not prompt them to return to the extract point?.

You probably should have used chat and prompted them by communicating with words. Because all you really did was prompt them to kick you.

The most valuable samples are the green common ones. You are always short of green samples until you get all the upgrades.

If you just ran off and called extraction by yourself im not actually surprised you got kicked. because they don't know if you are going to wait or not and might have some pois near by that they want to check for super credits.

When they kick you your samples are neatly dropped at extraction for them.

I'm not saying what they did was the right thing. but it is just safer for them to assume you were going to extract with the super samples without them.

[Pyronymer]

OK look while my story is based on an actual game I'm prepared to change it as need be to suit one conditional as a hypthetical. And that conditional is, I was unjustly kicked while carrying samples.

If you want to keep making up new reasons why you think that it was actually just to kick me too bad. You think I didn't communicate enough fine, then lets say I had in fact said in chat "Guys, you are losing real hard and fast out there, if I call in extract now you lose only 2 minutes of game play and it will secure these 5 super samples I have, and you might also get out alive since I'm the only player who throws reinforcements anyway". Then they kicked me anyway.

The point is demonstrating that kicked players shouldn't drop samples.

If host decides someone isn't contributing to the group, then the group should not receive their contribution, the end.

[Moffin Bovin]

judging by your replies you absolutely were going to extract without them.

They made the right choice.

[Pyronymer]

Originally posted by Moffin Bovin:

judging by your replies you absolutely were going to extract without them.

They made the right choice.

And I would have if need be, but, they were right in range to extract and NOT in range to do remaining low value additional objectives while also extracting even at full time, so I wouldn't need to and they lost nothing.

What is peoples problem with this? Why does this so desperately need to be my fault?

Do you just not want to face the idea that my contribution, and because of the way the mechanics are, ONLY my sample contribution, not me before hand carrying basically the whole main mission and all the stalker nests solo, shouldn't be shared once I am kicked?

[Disodium]

Originally posted by Pyronymer:

...Dropping samples if kicked is a motivation for further griefing without penalty. A kicked player shouldn't drop samples.

Or weapons or backpacks come to think of it...

Unfortunately you then end up with a scenario where a griefer will simply kill people for control over the samples.
If kicked the samples do not get dropped thus any work to gather samples by the remaining team is gone.

[KyuRizu]

Just ask them if they want to extract before starting the timer. The key for open chat window is Enter. Hope i could help ;-)

[EvilMonk]

Yeah it is nice when the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ host is running around alone on the map, gets killed constalty becuase he can't stay with the group and needs to go on his breaindead solo missions while the rest does all objectives, just to kick everyone.