Should there be more medium armor piercing primaries?

[Pope Innocent the 69th]

Currently, there are only 2 such weapons, the Penetrator AR in the regular line and the Dominator shotgun in the premium line.

Given how ubiquitous medium armor is (especially vs Bots) I would really like to see a few more primaries that could be used for dealing with them.

For example, the Slugger shotgun and the Diligence Counter Sniper should both pierce medium armor in my opinion. I can see why the Slugger wouldn't in terms of immersion (slugs don't do well vs armor), but that sniper is pretty useless without it penning medium armor.

Thoughts?

[jey123456]

the scorcher also work on medium armor (even tho its not marked as such), but yea, that about it for primary that can counter medium armor enemies.
on secondary side, the revolver pierce medium armor just fine too even tho its marked as light armor piercing.

[Akameka]

what creates the actual meta is the fact that most weapon cannot deal with even medium armor.

when you get in 5+ difficulties, you need :
Something to kill hordes
something to kill medium armor
something to kill heavy armor

Only a few weapons can even get two of thoses criterias.

right now, no secondary weapon can deal with neither. (revolver do not pierce walkers for exemple)

So you have to rely on two weapons only to be able to deal with thoses 3 problems.
having more ways to deal with medium armor would probably help to diversify the meta, cause right now, there are very few viable weapons.

[jey123456]

revolver works on walker leg, but not the big armor plate, thats heavy armor not medium as far as i know. At least, dominator also didnt work on the walker's armor plate

[Saku]

sad that the energy weapon just suck would be maybe better if its like in Halo that u just need to wait until its cooled down but energy heat + mag makes it useless no benefit using it and u cant kill something with it (1mag)

[Pope Innocent the 69th]

Good point about the revolver, it's complete trash without medium armor pen

[jey123456]

Originally posted by Pope Innocent the 69th:

Good point about the revolver, it's complete trash without medium armor pen

its actually already medium armor pen. it will work just fine through the small armored bugs, walkers leg, and the shield carrying bots. what it wont pierce is heavy armor like the hulk body, charger front armor, titan armor plate etc.

[Flo]

I don't even know what medium armor percing does. There's no indication of what applies as "medium armor". All I know is Hive Guards and Dominators both bounced back my Penetrator shots, so I left the mission and went back to the Breaker.

[Sea Base]

All the DMRs should pen medium imo. That would go far in making them balanced as well.

I would love to see more secondaries too, a hand held breach loading GL for instance would fit as a low ammo pool, slow reload, panic switch to deal with a medium armour threat.

[Pope Innocent the 69th]

Originally posted by jey123456:

Originally posted by Pope Innocent the 69th:

Good point about the revolver, it's complete trash without medium armor pen

its actually already medium armor pen. it will work just fine through the small armored bugs, walkers leg, and the shield carrying bots. what it wont pierce is heavy armor like the hulk body, charger front armor, titan armor plate etc.

It doesn't actually, I've used it before against hive guardians and it bounces straight off their head. That's medium armor and it does nothing to it.

[Akameka]

I.... actually never tried to shoot the legs off... ? And never saw anyone do it too ? Huh. Good to know for the walker's legs. Maybe sniper works better on the legs too ? I tried it on top of walker and you need 3 shots to destroy them, so meh =/

top of walker is not heavy armor though, as the autocanon kills them in one-two direct hit. Also, sniper and shotgun can destroy the top part with enough bullets.

[jey123456]

yea, armor seem to not be as binary (or trinary i guess), as wed expect.

[Professor H. Farnsworth]

Quite frankly, it feels like most weapons are.. bugged. Like the explosive AR has more recoil, less damage, slower ROF than a shotgun and supposedly is medium armor, but takes down medium armor slower than a shotgun would..

And there's far too many examples like this.

I'll wait with saying undertuned, because frankly it seems to me there might be issues with weapons like there are with armors.

[Sea Base]

Originally posted by Professor H. Farnsworth:

Quite frankly, it feels like most weapons are.. bugged. Like the explosive AR has more recoil, less damage, slower ROF than a shotgun and supposedly is medium armor, but takes down medium armor slower than a shotgun would..

And there's far too many examples like this.

I'll wait with saying undertuned, because frankly it seems to me there might be issues with weapons like there are with armors.

Good point. I still think there's some low level hanging fruit for balance that we can consider regardless, like the DMRs not really having a purpose currently

[Night_Springs]

I think all sniper rifles should be at least medium armor penetrating, or what's the point sacrificing mobility for long range engagement?

[Akameka]

DMRs are okayish if you can get above 75% hit rate. The no medium pen is obviously a big problem though.

Also, for the specific exemple of the explosive AR, it is definitelly bugged. It says 320 BPM, half the BPM of the normal AR, but this thing hardly has anything close to the 180 BPM. It's so slow I thought it was semi-auto at first. And, of course, it has almost no damage output.