This game uses nearly 15 gigs of RAM

[freshoutofmiracles]

Wow, RIP to people who use 16 gig setups. It makes my friend's game crash and disconnect sometimes.
The game client seems more unstable the more enemies show up in more difficult missions because of this.

[BEEP!]

Captain Furious původně napsal:

If you don’t have 32gb of RAM in 2024, that’s a you problem

Tons of games recommend 32 for best performance

For what the extra 1-3fps that you might gain there's already a ton of videos out there showing going from 16 to 32 almost does nothing it's negligible and not even close to a requirement in the vast majority of game's there's like 3 game's I can think of that 32GB actually help a very heavily modded MineCraft & a modded Skyrim&Fallout with like 2000mods .
Like if you already have 16GB and it's just a gameing & daily use PC then more RAM is one of the last things you should try to upgrade next sure it's nice to have more but is it actually going to be help you to were it's noticeable.
Like right now for my PC I have two things I could upgrade my GPU & more RAM that's it & I know getting more RAM isn't even really worth it because it'l be negligible at best for a upgrade so it's pushed to be the very last thing I could care about.

[Pctechnik]

Windows manages the RAM that is used by programs, the more you have, the more is made available to each program as you run it.

Run enough programs and you'll eventually run out of RAM... What happens next? Your PC runs slower as Windows manages the RAM between programs that are foreground and those that are background.

I have 64Gb of DDR5 and never use more than 7Gb for HD2.

[vanbushi]

Just download more ram, whats the issue?

[Eagle_of_Fire]

Captain Furious původně napsal:

It’s 2024, man

32gb should be standard

Stating a year and some absurd number that nobody but someone who use their computer professionally for video editing or some such don't suddenly make you make sense. 32gb of ram is completely absurd.

[WhiteCrow]

scone původně napsal:

whats the wecommended amount of ddedddittated waaam i should have to servr

For the uninitiated:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsO-Td0hqXo

[acorn cop]

I have 16gb of 3200mhz rams and my game runs like 90 fps probably cause I notice no lag or low fps. This mean ram isn't the issue your gpu and or cpu is or your ram is very slow?

[Eagle_of_Fire]

piss man původně napsal:

I have 16gb of 3200mhz rams and my game runs like 90 fps probably cause I notice no lag or low fps. This mean ram isn't the issue your gpu and or cpu is or your ram is very slow?

Ram never actually affect performance unless you don't have enough of it. I can't believe we're still here explaining this.

[ElyD]

1080Puktra původně napsal:

Mdgrim původně napsal:

On one hand, yes, on the other hand it's like a $50 purchase

That offers almost no difference in the vast majority of game's it's negligible at best.
Why spend that money on something that won't really change much of anything when you could save that money for a game or another upgrade.

That's not how it works. The more RAM you have, the more stable and responsive the system is going to be because it will use the page file less, which is several orders of magnitude slower even on a Gen5 nvme.

More RAM is always worth it, doubly so if you run games and other things together.

[Eagle_of_Fire]

ElyD původně napsal:

1080Puktra původně napsal:

That offers almost no difference in the vast majority of game's it's negligible at best.
Why spend that money on something that won't really change much of anything when you could save that money for a game or another upgrade.

That's not how it works. The more RAM you have, the more stable and responsive the system is going to be because it will use the page file less, which is several orders of magnitude slower even on a Gen5 nvme.

More RAM is always worth it, doubly so if you run games and other things together.

That's definitely not how ram work. You're sorely mistaken.

[ElyD]

Eagle_of_Fire původně napsal:

ElyD původně napsal:

That's not how it works. The more RAM you have, the more stable and responsive the system is going to be because it will use the page file less, which is several orders of magnitude slower even on a Gen5 nvme.

More RAM is always worth it, doubly so if you run games and other things together.

That's definitely not how ram work. You're sorely mistaken.

That's exactly how it works. Do you just not know what a pagefile is? If your RAM fills up and an application request more space, Windows defaults to the pagefile which is notably slower than any stick of even DDR3 RAM.

I do hardware benchmarks for PC. Knowing how it works is literally part of my job

Edit:

Excessive page file usage also spikes your drive load which will itself slow anything that needs to be accessed on that drive - usually C unless you relocate the page file manually - to a crawl.

[Eagle_of_Fire]

ElyD původně napsal:

Eagle_of_Fire původně napsal:

That's definitely not how ram work. You're sorely mistaken.

That's exactly how it works. Do you just not know what a pagefile is? If your RAM fills up and an application request more space, Windows defaults to the pagefile which is notably slower than any stick of even DDR3 RAM.

I do hardware benchmarks for PC. Knowing how it works is literally part of my job

That's technically how it work. In reality that's not going to impact your performance at all. Games request an amount of ram on startup and if you have all the memory available then you won't see the difference. Literally the only time you'll notice performance degradation is if you don't have enough.

I've never ran a game on my PC on which 8gb wasn't enough.

[Barry Cabbage]

I got a 16gb system and I can run the game fine.

[ElyD]

Eagle_of_Fire původně napsal:

ElyD původně napsal:

That's exactly how it works. Do you just not know what a pagefile is? If your RAM fills up and an application request more space, Windows defaults to the pagefile which is notably slower than any stick of even DDR3 RAM.

I do hardware benchmarks for PC. Knowing how it works is literally part of my job

That's technically how it work. In reality that's not going to impact your performance at all. Games request an amount of ram on startup and if you have all the memory available then you won't see the difference. Literally the only time you'll notice performance degradation is if you don't have enough.

I've never ran a game on my PC on which 8gb wasn't enough.

There are documented cases for having page file access + game file on the same drive causing mild to severe stutter on asset load because drives only have so much bandwidth.
Anything the game needs to offload into the page file in general will cause stutter.

As to your "I've never not had enough" comment; You have no way of knowing unless you manually use software to check what's paged. Windows will never tell you that you could run faster or with better frametimes.

[Starbarian]

Captain Furious původně napsal:

It’s 2024, man

32gb should be standard

There are apple computers still sells 8 GB as default while at a high price.
FYI I think its ridiculous 8 GB is still a thing.

[Eagle_of_Fire]

ElyD původně napsal:

Eagle_of_Fire původně napsal:

That's technically how it work. In reality that's not going to impact your performance at all. Games request an amount of ram on startup and if you have all the memory available then you won't see the difference. Literally the only time you'll notice performance degradation is if you don't have enough.

I've never ran a game on my PC on which 8gb wasn't enough.

There are documented cases for having page file access + game file on the same drive causing mild to severe stutter on asset load because drives only have so much bandwidth.
Anything the game needs to offload into the page file in general will cause stutter.

As to your "I've never not had enough" comment; You have no way of knowing unless you manually use software to check what's paged. Windows will never tell you that you could run faster or with better frametimes.

I've been using this computer for 8 years. When I got it new 8gb wasn't even the norm yet. I decided back then to go this stupidly high (for the time) because it would be good enough for a stupidly amount of time (proven by it still performing today). I'd know if my programs are slowed down because of ram simply by feel after all this time.

Hint: they aren't. Because I have enough. What is slowing my frames is my aging GPU which I'm very very happy is still good enough to play about anything on ultra. Games like BG3 and HD2 are the first few games I'm starting to have problem with and it is very clear to me that dropping graphic quality is what make me have more frames. Not ram.