The game feels cheap

[Gleitfrosch]

Is the game overhyped?
Graphics, animations, gunplay are medicore at best. Some mission which only require to stay in one area and kill enemies for a few minutes and very repetetive missions in general. Team management where you have to quit the game to find a new group, if you are the leader, this and many other minor and bigger issues which suck the fun out of the game for me.

What I like is the campaign idea and map, but everything else has been done better by other co-op games.

EDIT:
Keep the "awards" and try to argue, the first posts did not.

[Eligor]

go point farm elsewhere

[Bill Waggoner]

The game is $40 in the era of AAAAA dev studios charging $70 for a base version of a terrible game. HD2 is 43% cheaper. Well worth the money for the fun it has brought and will continue to bring.

/thread

[Existential Dread]

I'm not giving you a clown award sorry

[Gleitfrosch]

Originally posted by Kaan d'Arc:

go point farm elsewhere :seriousboss:

I dont care about point, here take some from me

[Bill Waggoner]

Originally posted by Gleitfrosch:

Originally posted by Kaan d'Arc:

go point farm elsewhere :seriousboss:

I dont care about point, here take some from me

Here's some from me then.

[OnePunchMan69]

GIVE ME AWARDS

[Gleitfrosch]

Originally posted by Bill Waggoner™:

Originally posted by Gleitfrosch:

I dont care about point, here take some from me

Here's some from me then.

thank you.

to be honest, the point system should be removed, it prevents discussions because of worng assumptions.

[cOwOna viwus]

Ok go play other co-op games it's that easy

[Dreepa]

Originally posted by Gleitfrosch:

Is the game overhyped?
Graphics, animations, gunplay are medicore at best. Some mission which only require to stay in one area and kill enemies for a few minutes and very repetetive missions in general. Team management where you have to quit the game to find a new group, if you are the leader, this and many other minor and bigger issues which suck the fun out of the game for me.

What I like is the campaign idea and map, but everything else has been done better by other co-op games.

Of course.
That's the very definition of hype.

Devs themselves were like: WTF?

It's just a game to have fun. It's not really designed with any insights or following any modern loot shooter / MMO shooter "best practices".

But devs never wanted to make such a game. They just wanted to make a game that is fun to play in the evenig with friends where you can blow stuff up and shout "For Democracy".

The hype is a complete social phenomena. Probably because the art style is so refreshing oldschool, and the game loop is so refreshingly vague and doesn't rely on any form of commitment, so that the vast majority of ppl with a job and a real life can just have fun without long term investment.

And that kind of target audience in that age is also super receptive for that art style of 70s / 80s sci fi with Star Wars vibes and bugs from Starship Troopers).

Yes, it's a hype. Yes, it's not for you guys expecting Destiny 3 or any kind of next gen loot shooter.

Hope you can still refund and do not exceed 2h playitme yet.

[Gleitfrosch]

Originally posted by Dreepa:

Originally posted by Gleitfrosch:

Is the game overhyped?
Graphics, animations, gunplay are medicore at best. Some mission which only require to stay in one area and kill enemies for a few minutes and very repetetive missions in general. Team management where you have to quit the game to find a new group, if you are the leader, this and many other minor and bigger issues which suck the fun out of the game for me.

What I like is the campaign idea and map, but everything else has been done better by other co-op games.

Of course.
That's the very definition of hype.

Devs themselves were like: WTF?

It's just a game to have fun. It's not really designed with any insights or following any modern loot shooter / MMO shooter "best practices".

But devs never wanted to make such a game. They just wanted to make a game that is fun to play in the evenig with friends where you can blow stuff up and shout "For Democracy".

The hype is a complete social phenomena. Probably because the art style is so refreshing oldschool, and the game loop is so refreshingly vague and doesn't rely on any form of commitment, so that the vast majority of ppl with a job and a real life can just have fun without long term investment.

And that kind of target audience in that age is also super receptive for that art style of 70s / 80s sci fi with Star Wars vibes and bugs from Starship Troopers).

Yes, it's a hype. Yes, it's not for you guys expecting Destiny 3 or any kind of next gen loot shooter.

Hope you can still refund and do not exceed 2h playitme yet.

this could be it, Im not the target audience. Probably because the style is not new to me and therefore it feels more like a revival than being refreshing. with the other points I mentioned, there is not enough for me to be hyped like many other.

[KZ]

It's $40. And I'm sorry about your onset of blindness.

[null]

Originally posted by Gleitfrosch:

Is the game overhyped?
Graphics, animations, gunplay are medicore at best.

Really? Could you give me examples of average, good and the best?
I'm not sure if you're looking something very specific (like call of duty) or maybe mistaking intentional design decisions as flaws.

I can kind of see what could be perceived as bad (like clunky controls and slow movement, which gives the IMPRESSION of bad animation), but I think all of those were design choices.

Originally posted by Gleitfrosch:

Some mission which only require to stay in one area and kill enemies for a few minutes and very repetetive missions in general.

Fair points. Exactly what it was in the original though and what people came back for.

Originally posted by Gleitfrosch:

Team management where you have to quit the game to find a new group, if you are the leader, this and many other minor and bigger issues which suck the fun out of the game for me.

All fair points, that need to be address, but I'd like to point out people are enjoying the game in spite of them.

Originally posted by Gleitfrosch:

What I like is the campaign idea and map, but everything else has been done better by other co-op games.

Again, I'd love an example.

What helldivers does hasn't been replicated in another game yet. It's combination of:

• Clunky controls that force you to rely on team.
  
• Strategems (an idea I haven't seen in ANY other game).
  
• Strategem limitations that make it difficult to solo everything.
  
• Gameplay loop that actually allows you to solo as you learn it.
  
• Friendly fire for both friends and foes that can make your screw ups perilous for the team.

Also, when you're thinking of your examples, ask yourself if that game is a co-op game where you need to cooperate, or a game that allows a 2nd person to run next to you.

[Gleitfrosch]

Originally posted by null:

Originally posted by Gleitfrosch:

Is the game overhyped?
Graphics, animations, gunplay are medicore at best.

Really? Could you give me examples of average, good and the best?
I'm not sure if you're looking something very specific (like call of duty) or maybe mistaking intentional design decisions as flaws.

I can kind of see what could be perceived as bad (like clunky controls and slow movement, which gives the IMPRESSION of bad animation), but I think all of those were design choices.

Originally posted by Gleitfrosch:

Some mission which only require to stay in one area and kill enemies for a few minutes and very repetetive missions in general.

Fair points. Exactly what it was in the original though and what people came back for.

Originally posted by Gleitfrosch:

Team management where you have to quit the game to find a new group, if you are the leader, this and many other minor and bigger issues which suck the fun out of the game for me.

All fair points, that need to be address, but I'd like to point out people are enjoying the game in spite of them.

Originally posted by Gleitfrosch:

What I like is the campaign idea and map, but everything else has been done better by other co-op games.

Again, I'd love an example.

What helldivers does hasn't been replicated in another game yet. It's combination of:

• Clunky controls that force you to rely on team.
  
• Strategems (an idea I haven't seen in ANY other game).
  
• Strategem limitations that make it difficult to solo everything.
  
• Gameplay loop that actually allows you to solo as you learn it.
  
• Friendly fire for both friends and foes that can make your screw ups perilous for the team.

Also, when you're thinking of your examples, ask yourself if that game is a co-op game where you need to cooperate, or a game that allows a 2nd person to run next to you.

I know many will disagree because the following exampe got a lot of complains in the past, but when it comes to graphics, animations and gunplay, Darktide is better. DT has other issues (both game are repetetive) and I would like to see the Helldivers campaign map in DT, but regarding the mentioned above points, i stick with my statement.

Relying on the team and working together is also mostly about staying close together and shooting enemies while one teammate e.g. uploads data. Like in many other co-op games

In summary, for me HD2 is a great idea but the execution is average.

[Grey Paint]

Compared to HD1's base game(no dlc).
you actualy got a lot of free dlc stuff.

[Fannidan13]

Originally posted by Gleitfrosch:

Originally posted by Bill Waggoner™:

Here's some from me then.

thank you.

to be honest, the point system should be removed, it prevents discussions because of worng assumptions.

To be fair, a bait post would still be a bait post even without the point system...

Originally posted by Bill Waggoner™:

The game is $40 in the era of AAAAA dev studios charging $70 for a base version of a terrible game. HD2 is 43% cheaper. Well worth the money for the fun it has brought and will continue to bring.

/thread

This guy pretty much sums up my take on the issue.