Reporting players for griefing/teamkilling

[Sunny Sonja]

I just was in a mission to launch the nuke.
I did both secondary objectives alone (dunno exactly what the other three were doing) and then went to the launch and had it almost completed when this dude "Swabie the pirate" came up and started shooting me.
I managed to gun him down but was killed myself as well, got called in again, only to be kicked a few seconds later.
I tried to report him, only to be informed by the game that you can only report players for writing something abusive in chat.
Excuse me?
I played several hours already and never had this issue before, so far, I enjoyed playing quick matches to assist other helldivers, but this right now was rather irritating.
Devs, please allow us to report players for behaviour like that, I mean, the game is taking track of team damage already, so there should be a way to evaluate this.
Just give as a text field where we can describe, why we wanna report them.

[Boomer Click Bait]

Sunny - lgbTq* の投稿を引用：

I just was in a mission to launch the nuke.
I did both secondary objectives alone (dunno exactly what the other three were doing) and then went to the launch and had it almost completed when this dude "Swabie the pirate" came up and started shooting me.
I managed to gun him down but was killed myself as well, got called in again, only to be kicked a few seconds later.
I tried to report him, only to be informed by the game that you can only report players for writing something abusive in chat.
Excuse me?
I played several hours already and never had this issue before, so far, I enjoyed playing quick matches to assist other helldivers, but this right now was rather irritating.
Devs, please allow us to report players for behaviour like that, I mean, the game is taking track of team damage already, so there should be a way to evaluate this.
Just give as a text field where we can describe, why we wanna report them.

Well, they didn't want to add pvp so we got to make our own.

[Flashshark]

HellzHero™ の投稿を引用：

my mortar turrets have killed entire teams who decide getting up close is the best strategy against hulks...

As if they "decide" to get close to the Hulks...
Dude wtf you talking?
If we had real meele weapons like chainsaws, your comment would make sense.
But like this it is just nonsense.

I do not use mortar at all just to prevent this situations to happen!
There are other solutions like Railgun...

Oh yes and I am sorry to "descide" to go close to the Charger.^^
I always fight them with 1000 hits of my gun-shaft.^^
Sorry to be in the way of your Orbital or whatever...^^

[resignator]

Your proposal has too many ways to exploit it. All it takes to get an innocent person banned is to run into thier airstrike or stand in front of their turret ON PURPOSE. If you dont think people will be trolls....

[Flashshark]

NOPE WE HAD THAT TROLL DISCUSSION ALLREADY AND IT IS NOT DISCUSSED ANY LONGER HERE!

There are 100 times more teamkills than trolls!
We solve the troll problem if it is a problem not due to any theories about trolls that right now do not exist....

[Boredom]

Flashshark の投稿を引用：

1. It's about fairplay and behaviour
2. It's a military game and some players need to get gud and stop teamkilling
3. It most times leads to a bad situation for the whole team
4. It will just hurt certain player types (maybe like you?) not all players.

Many players ill wellcome this change and toxic players will leave...
Improvement for community!

Bro you're definitely those people that take games way too serious. You probably play every game like it's a milsim. The host can kick people mid match it's not a big deal... it's one mission if you kick them you're barely losing anything considering everything is shared. People like you drain the fun out of everything, I enjoy seeing my friend have 10k friendly fire from the hellbomb so we can laugh posy screen.

[Flashshark]

Boredom の投稿を引用：

People like you drain the fun out of everything, I enjoy seeing my friend have 10k friendly fire from the hellbomb so we can laugh posy screen.

Getting killed 1 time by a hellbomb is ok and as I allready said the damage calculation seems NOT to work, since you do NOT have 10k HP that you loose...
1 hellbomb should be 1 max HP dmg on the paper.
So as I allready estimated 1 hellbomb killing 3 teamates should be about 4200 dmg.
And as I allready clearified 5000 dmg was just an idea, maybe 10.000 dmg is a better limit.

If a player kills his teammates 7 times (almost in a row) by constantly throwing granades and airstrikes directly into his team doing like 10k dmg it is a different story.
He is risking the outcome of the mission and it is beyond beeing funny!
Reinforcements are limited and at some point players like that ruin it for the team.

And I proposed a 1 hour ban not a perma ban, so it is no big deal!
Just a slap an the fingers and some time to think about a better playstyle...
This is not draining the fun out of anything...

[Sunny Sonja]

Flashshark の投稿を引用：

Boredom の投稿を引用：

People like you drain the fun out of everything, I enjoy seeing my friend have 10k friendly fire from the hellbomb so we can laugh posy screen.

Getting killed 1 time by a hellbomb is ok and as I allready said the damage calculation seems NOT to work, since you do NOT have 10k HP that you loose...
1 hellbomb should be 1 max HP dmg on the paper.
So as I allready estimated 1 hellbomb killing 3 teamates should be about 4200 dmg.
And as I allready clearified 5000 dmg was just an idea, maybe 10.000 dmg is a better limit.

If a player kills his teammates 7 times (almost in a row) by constantly throwing granades and airstrikes directly into his team doing like 10k dmg it is a different story.
He is risking the outcome of the mission and it is beyond beeing funny!
Reinforcements are limited and at some point players like that ruin it for the team.

And I proposed a 1 hour ban not a perma ban, so it is no big deal!
Just a slap an the fingers and some time to think about a better playstyle...
This is not draining the fun out of anything...

Thank you!
My thoughts are going in the exact same direction.
I mean, the game registers the damage that is done. So sure, in the middle of a fight it can happen that you take damage, often, and die to it. No issue.
But, as an example, in my situation, there were no enemies around. That jerk did only damage me, several times in a short period of time. And I think something like that happende to one of the others too, I remember seeing something like this in the chat. But since I was far away (doing the actual objectives), I cant tell for sure.
So in a situation like this, were player A is just dealing damage to B with no damage to foes in between.. that could be a red flag for the system. Again, just an example.

[DavidLeeRock17]

Just played a rescue personal mission with an extremely toxic person named casey_moe. The entire mission he was saying things like, "You're all ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. You should go kill yourselves. You don't know how to play the game. Don't reinforce because the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ newb got killed. He's not worth bringing back. You don't have mics and you all need to die in real life because you don't know how to play the game." and the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ just went on and on. I was also trying to collect more samples and medals before evac and he starts shooting at me on the way back while claiming that I "Had to be rescued." Toxic people like him need to be banned from the game and there needs to be an option to report people like him regardless of nothing being said in the chat box. I blocked him in game but I hope the game Devs implement more ways to ban ♥♥♥♥♥♥ people like casey_moe that way it doesn't ruin the game for the rest of us.

[Falcon]

There does not need to be any system of tracking damage, its too open to abuse and also inflicting bans to people who no-one has any issue with that made a few genuine accidental TKs, Ive got a mate who loves playing with fire based weapons and he is forever accidentally setting one of his friends alight. We laugh about it and wouldn't want him banned.

However there definitely does need to be an anonymous report player function, you could make it so that it was only available at the end of a mission to people who had died to friendly fire, and if a player reaches a certain threshold of reports in a given perid, say 10 in a rolling 48 hour period or something then they get a ban. More serious than just 1 hour. Maybe a week or month dependi on the threshhold. That way people who accidentally TK wont get banned, theyt might occasionally get reported if someone doesn't see the funny side of the occasional accidents that happen in the chaos of a dive, but they would never be likely to accrue enough reports in that rolling period to get a ban. Only people who intentionally TK would do.

I've only played 3 games with randos as I usually play with friends and so far 1 out of those 3 I've been intentionally TKed while me and my friend sat in the pellican ready to extract they waited until we got in then the 2 of them hosed the inside of the pellican and killed is both before jumping in and didnt reinforce us before they left. So very obviously not an accident. If they are doing that to everyone they play with then no-one has any chance to level the score with them, they just disappear and do it to someone else again and again, they would get a ban in no time.

Their names were grandwalrus225 and dethreaper975 both PS5 players as they don't have Steam accounts in those names. If you see them play with them at your own risk.

[Ryzilynt]

You don't need to report them , you just block them , problem is solved.

[Falcon]

Yes but that just passes the problem onto someone else as it doesn't stop anyone else being impacted by their behaviour. It also doesn't disincentiveise their behaviour, so they will carry on doing it. Reporting and bans if people reach a certain threshold of reports is a far better solution. It how policing of most other kinds of rule infringements work in society, from police cautions, to driving licence points, to work disciplinarys. Accrue enough marks against you in a set period get a penalty, continue to offend despite this get a more severe penalty. It works.

[Mepho]

Queer Sunny の投稿を引用：

I just was in a mission to launch the nuke.
I did both secondary objectives alone (dunno exactly what the other three were doing) and then went to the launch and had it almost completed when this dude "Swabie the pirate" came up and started shooting me.

[...]

I played several hours already and never had this issue before, so far, I enjoyed playing quick matches to assist other helldivers, but this right now was rather irritating.
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See there's an issue there.
How do you assist people if you don't care about where they are and what they are doing.

I thought you were the host as I was reading, but when it turns out you joined it makes sense.
Basically you did your thing the whole game and when they tried to interact (a dude coming up to you and shooting smells a lot like they tried to communicate and you ignored them) you replied by shooting back.

It's not that surprising to me that you would get a kick. They've probably been wondering what the ♥♥♥♥ you were doing the whole game. Then they probably got annoyed that you did the objective triggering the extra spawns.

Basically if you want to assist, do assist. Thinking you're doing stuff for them without even looking at where they are on the map is not helping them doing the stuff.

[Sunny Sonja]

Mepho の投稿を引用：

Queer Sunny の投稿を引用：

I just was in a mission to launch the nuke.
I did both secondary objectives alone (dunno exactly what the other three were doing) and then went to the launch and had it almost completed when this dude "Swabie the pirate" came up and started shooting me.

[...]

I played several hours already and never had this issue before, so far, I enjoyed playing quick matches to assist other helldivers, but this right now was rather irritating.
[...]

See there's an issue there.
How do you assist people if you don't care about where they are and what they are doing.

I thought you were the host as I was reading, but when it turns out you joined it makes sense.
Basically you did your thing the whole game and when they tried to interact (a dude coming up to you and shooting smells a lot like they tried to communicate and you ignored them) you replied by shooting back.

It's not that surprising to me that you would get a kick. They've probably been wondering what the ♥♥♥♥ you were doing the whole game. Then they probably got annoyed that you did the objective triggering the extra spawns.

Basically if you want to assist, do assist. Thinking you're doing stuff for them without even looking at where they are on the map is not helping them doing the stuff.

Erm... did you read my post right?
I went on my own because no one else was doing the objectives and time was running out!
And how is shooting me several times "trying to communicate"? There is textchat and you can use your mic, I would say much better options to get your point across than by shooting people... unless your point is to just kill other players.

And if somebody was triggering more spawns it was them. I got into the ones I did by sneaking and what I triggered I killed or left behind by breaking line of sight, so again, no reason to be angry at me.
I may not have been helping them "do stuff", because the stuff they were doing was attacking random nests and wasting time and ressources there. I know that because I checked the map several times to see what they where doing.

[Mepho]

Queer Sunny の投稿を引用：

Erm... did you read my post right?
I went on my own because no one else was doing the objectives and time was running out!
And how is shooting me several times "trying to communicate"? There is textchat and you can use your mic, I would say much better options to get your point across than by shooting people... unless your point is to just kill other players.

And if somebody was triggering more spawns it was them. I got into the ones I did by sneaking and what I triggered I killed or left behind by breaking line of sight, so again, no reason to be angry at me.
I may not have been helping them "do stuff", because the stuff they were doing was attacking random nests and wasting time and ressources there. I know that because I checked the map several times to see what they where doing.

Yeah I read and I had to make assumptions clearly, but the attitude still stands you see.
You say they were wasting time, you know because you checked the map but you didn't talk to them, evidently.
So that's my point and why it was all fine while I thought you were the host.

The way I see it the host calls the shots, you work that or around that. But taking off on your own and (possibly?) ignoring the others can be seen as antagonistic by them.

I wouldn't particularly care, I guess most hosts wouldn't either, but you're basically joining someone's game to ignore them and do your thing, that's not assisting even thou the end stats would be better.

Because again yeah, you might be right that progression wise you'd be bringing a better outcome but it might not be what the host is interested in.
And again, I'm not saying they were doing the right thing in kicking you, but I'm saying I can see how it could happen.

If you don't know what the host is aiming for how can you assist? That was the ironic part.
You're just doing what you think is best on your own inside someone else's mission. Which could be met with thanks or kicks but is not helping them in any tangible way except currency.
They are not seeing "how it's done", they are not experiencing group dynamics, they are not working tactics. They are zerging with a random going around collecting stuff.

All in all I'm not trying to patronize you or whatever, it's just that I see this general attitude of "I drop in I get all the samples all the nests and they still whine" and I don't understand it. You're not helping you're playing the game for them in the way you want it to be played, how can you not expect frictions at times? Someone is bound to get annoyed that in his coop game a dude is running around solo clearing the map.

[Ordon]

if you ever get teamkilled by me, its your problem, dont ever stand in the way while i carry the game