Orbital 120mm/380mm HE Barrage are worse than useless

[Crow]

I would genuinely rather anyone brought an empty slot than these useless Strategems. You can drop them square in the middle of a nest and it'll land most of it's shots outside the nest. Even the 120mm, that's SUPPOSED to be accurate, is complete garbage.

Bringing these are so bad it should be considered griefing. Please, Devs, I beg you to do SOMETHING with these. Make the first shot always land on the call-in spot, make the shots land in a circular pattern around the point (like a Walking Barrage but in a circle), just something. They are *unbelievably* bad.

[DrunkBunny94]

The 120mm and 380mm are just comically impractical. Wide area, with RNG spread meaning it doesnt actually deny the area its used in, doesnt last very long and has a massive cooldown.

I remember using the 120mm when it was a daily and in a 40min mission it killed 9 enemies. The gatling barrage or airburst do a better job than it while having lower cooldowns.

Using 2-4 airstrikes is better in just about every way than them (120mm/380mm) as they're just as deadly, more accurate, last longer (4 cluster bombs would take 32 seconds to call in) and come with a shorter 2min eagle cooldown.

If it were up to me I would shrink the area of the 120mm and 380mm so they are more practical and then increase both the amount of shots increase the duration that they bombard for and have an warning/player indicator if players are too close
If im burning a 2.5-3min cooldown on a breach i want it to kill all the trash that comes out of that breach because right now the gatline barrage - literally the first unlock is one of the best tools for containing a breach (orbital gas is also really good for this).

[The Greg Machine]

Skill issue, lads. Learn to toss a grenade.

[Crow]

Originally posted by The Greg Machine:

Skill issue, lads. Learn to toss a grenade.

Thank you for the nothing burger, Mr Machine.

[Shining_Darkness]

Originally posted by Crow:

Originally posted by con:

i absolutely love 380mms because of how chaotic they are
if you aint slightly pooping your pants while playing this game and having fun doing it, ♥♥♥♥ off and host your own private lobbies where you can min-max and sweat by yourself

I'm not saying "you must take these strategems or you'll get kicked", I'm saying that as they stand, the HE Barrages are not even good at the things they're supposed to be good at. Dropping a 120mm into the middle of a bug nest should, in my opinion, be able to take out more than one nest.
Compare it to the other options. Precision Strike? Lands exactly where you call it in for fairly high damage. That's reliable, and unlikely to team kill.
Walking Barrage? Many precision strikes in a fairly consistent pattern, dropping three rounds horizontally before continuing that pattern forwards twice (or three times). High damage, covers a large area *but in a predictable way*. You drop it one side of a base, and it'll sweep over the base.

HE Barrage? I drop it in the middle of the base, it takes out one nest because the vast majority of the shells land on MY side of the beacon. How are you supposed to effectively use something to clear a base if it basically requires you to already be in the middle of the base for it to even damage it? Sure you can take an armour to throw your strategems further, and that like, *could* fix it, but taking a specific armour just to make two strategems halfway viable is ridiculous.

No, you don't have to take meta stuff every time, and you're welcome to have fun however you want. But it's like you were playing Hardcore Domination on CoD, and just tossing frag grenades onto a point repeatedly. Sure, you might *sometimes, maybe* get a kill, but more likely than not you're gonna teamkill, and I dunno about you, but being sat in a drop pod due to a teammate ♥♥♥♥-up is not exactly peak funtimes.

How about the rocket strafe example video showing it is useless bu only killing fodder bots while leaving bigger ones unharmed? Yeah the strats need some serious work just like the weapons.

This game is EA don't be fooled buy it being a "full release."

[Cerb]

the 380 was used alot last night in termids runs and it did its work for sure even killed of some chargers whit it but sure it have one big spread and is easy to team kill whit, we hade map whit some what narow way to run in and it worked liek a sharm her. i do prefer airburst eagel strike and cluster bombs over it most of the time. i always slot the multi tool 500kg tho

[TheAceOfSpodes]

I won't bring them with pugs, but when I'm running with my friends I'll bring the 380 for bot missions. Toss one into a bot heavy factory and watch it take out 90% of the place.

[ikstarven]

Originally posted by Shining_Darkness:

Originally posted by Crow:

I'm not saying "you must take these strategems or you'll get kicked", I'm saying that as they stand, the HE Barrages are not even good at the things they're supposed to be good at. Dropping a 120mm into the middle of a bug nest should, in my opinion, be able to take out more than one nest.
Compare it to the other options. Precision Strike? Lands exactly where you call it in for fairly high damage. That's reliable, and unlikely to team kill.
Walking Barrage? Many precision strikes in a fairly consistent pattern, dropping three rounds horizontally before continuing that pattern forwards twice (or three times). High damage, covers a large area *but in a predictable way*. You drop it one side of a base, and it'll sweep over the base.

HE Barrage? I drop it in the middle of the base, it takes out one nest because the vast majority of the shells land on MY side of the beacon. How are you supposed to effectively use something to clear a base if it basically requires you to already be in the middle of the base for it to even damage it? Sure you can take an armour to throw your strategems further, and that like, *could* fix it, but taking a specific armour just to make two strategems halfway viable is ridiculous.

No, you don't have to take meta stuff every time, and you're welcome to have fun however you want. But it's like you were playing Hardcore Domination on CoD, and just tossing frag grenades onto a point repeatedly. Sure, you might *sometimes, maybe* get a kill, but more likely than not you're gonna teamkill, and I dunno about you, but being sat in a drop pod due to a teammate ♥♥♥♥-up is not exactly peak funtimes.

How about the rocket strafe example video showing it is useless bu only killing fodder bots while leaving bigger ones unharmed? Yeah the strats need some serious work just like the weapons.

This game is EA don't be fooled buy it being a "full release."

its hilarious how in the rocket strafe tooltip it says "targets the largest target in the vicinity" and in the video display it shows it completely annihilating one automaton soldier while leaving the heavy bot alone

[ikstarven]

or i think they could be shot in groups of 3 or 2, i.e. each salvo would send 2-3 shells at the same time, make its radius smaller, and now you get a bootleg thunderer from the first game(that stratagem was basically "nothing crosses this area for half a minute")

[Rave Pathfinder.]

The weird obital bombardments are used for tactical play. You can use them to cover weird random area of cluster fire but it will be slow.

[Grubbs008]

Throwing 4 380 attacks with 3 others into a nest or a large robot base, is very pretty.

[Muhspaceaids]

Watch the demo video while hovering the 380mm to see just how useless it is. Hits pretty much nothing useful. and mostly bombard the land features.

It is way to inconsistent to be useful enough to run over something else. Unless running with friends (but even then, no), I don't really want to see my randoms pick it. It a liability more than helpful.

Even the 121mm video is just mostly misses as the bugs stand there and not get hit for the most part. the barrages are just really bad

[sweng]

Well, i think it is use to cover your escape, image you are being chase by enemy and suddenly random bombardment from the sky, its the randomness that make you run faster and make enemy hesitate.

[Sk[A]rMo'Ry2012]

When you see the name of those stratagems in front of you - its already too late to run.

[Kalenath]

Originally posted by PK_Thunder:

They're really not useless. 380mm in particular is excellent at two things.

Firstly, wiping out automaton bases. If thrown in the middle of the base it'll reliably wipe them out.

And secondly, killing other players.

Yeah, 380mm is NOT accurate at all. If they were real artillery specialists? NONE of them would have made it through training, let alone to become operational.

[Rahnzan]

Did you just start playing this week? It's March. Everyone knows.

FYI Lasers, Fire and the Spray and Pray suck too if we're going to state the obvious.