I think you are all very confused about how game masters work in tabletop.

[Redeyeflight]

They create a campaign based on a set of rules, and enforce those rules, in addition to playing the part of the NPC's.

They do not decide if you pass a hit check, dictate your damage roles, or anything of the sort. They do not arbitrarily decide if you win or loose.

A game master is a guide and a story teller.

What arrowhead is doing is not GM'ing.

To put it another way, the dice choose winners and looser, the GM just plays off the decisions made by the player and the rolls based on the rules.

Arrowhead is just rolling back progress. They are setting the dice to whatever values they choose after the role.

I would not play with that GM.

[Seth Wulfstone]

Like I said in another post, it just kinda dissuades me from wanting to lean on the major order now. They might just choose and dictate the direction themselves, it didn't feel like we did much, it felt like we all threw so many numbers at it and still lost. Will this just be the inevitability of them choosing when we win and lose?

Currently we've got the goal to kill bugs, but I don't like fighting bugs and a friend of mine doesn't like fighting bugs, why would we bother going out of our way for those missions? Even if we "lost" by their definition, we by all means deserved at least a bone tossed our way for putting in the effort of their constant changing of values instead of playing a dozen missions just to log in to a "Defeat" screen.

[Redeyeflight]

If we could at least agree that there is no way a planet can go from 70% to 0% instantly without intervention we can put that one argument to bed.

If you think there is a natural progression mechanic that would allow for players to be the source of that change, please share.

[PhellAsleep]

Originally posted by (:):

it out right has by the team themselves do some reading

Originally posted by Redeyeflight:

Actually, yes it has.

My mistake then. None of the segments I read mentioned that degree of direct interference.

[asura]

Originally posted by Redeyeflight:

If we could at least agree that there is no way a planet can go from 70% to 0% instantly without intervention we can put that one argument to bed.

Disagree. See the lore of the game. We're literally fighting swarms of bugs.

Originally posted by Redeyeflight:

If you think there is a natural progression mechanic that would allow for players to be the source of that change, please share.

Watch the change in the percentage and, at the end of the campaign, see the outcome. It isn't linear. By natural you clearly mean linear - it's not. This isn't linear and intended to be finished in a few days. It's a campaign.

[All_Mighty]

Originally posted by Bill Waggoner™:

Is it actually confirmed they are rolling back progress?

The DM can set the rate of progress decay. Maximum seen is -20% per hour on all bug planets save Veld, but even that one got the -20% due to how many people jumped on it.

[Nihil]

Originally posted by Redeyeflight:

Originally posted by Nihil:

1. this isn't a tabletop
2. No that's not what the GM here is doing.
Kinda funny how someone is making a thread about people being confused and misundersanding what the GM is doing, while he/she being the one who didn't got the memo right neither.

You seem to be the one out of the loop here friend.

No!
You are the clueless one.
They have literally confirmed several times what a GM in Helldivers is doing.
But here i have done the research for you so you can get yourself educated too for once
https://twitter.com/Pilestedt/status/1763143262464770143

https://youtu.be/3nf1T4HEork?t=417

Arrowhead isn't doing anything with your imaginary dices. They just decide based on the outcome of the current/prev major order what the next one will be. And remember when we got free railguns and orbital strikes to every mission, Yep that also was them doing their work.

You're welcome.

[Kalenath]

Originally posted by Redeyeflight:

They create a campaign based on a set of rules, and enforce those rules, in addition to playing the part of the NPC's.

They do not decide if you pass a hit check, dictate your damage roles, or anything of the sort. They do not arbitrarily decide if you win or loose.

A game master is a guide and a story teller.

What arrowhead is doing is not GM'ing.

To put it another way, the dice choose winners and looser, the GM just plays off the decisions made by the player and the rolls based on the rules.

Arrowhead is just rolling back progress. They are setting the dice to whatever values they choose after the role.

I would not play with that GM.

What we have SEEN surely seems to be that way, yes.

Is that true? I don't know. I am still having fun with the game and that is enough for me.

[Caramel_Clown]

Good GM will never let a bad roll ruin good storytelling.

[Redeyeflight]

Originally posted by Nihil:

Originally posted by Redeyeflight:

You seem to be the one out of the loop here friend.

No!
You are the clueless one.
They have literally confirmed several times what a GM in Helldivers is doing.
But here i have done the research for you so you can get yourself educated too for once
https://twitter.com/Pilestedt/status/1763143262464770143

https://youtu.be/3nf1T4HEork?t=417

Arrowhead isn't doing anything with your imaginary dices. They just decide based on the outcome of the current/prev major order what the next one will be. And remember when we got free railguns and orbital strikes to every mission, Yep that also was them doing their work.

You're welcome.

Say what you want, anyone that was tracking Errata Prime over the last couple of weeks knows the truth.

[(:)]

Originally posted by Nihil:

Originally posted by Redeyeflight:

You seem to be the one out of the loop here friend.

No!
You are the clueless one.
They have literally confirmed several times what a GM in Helldivers is doing.
But here i have done the research for you so you can get yourself educated too for once
https://twitter.com/Pilestedt/status/1763143262464770143

https://youtu.be/3nf1T4HEork?t=417

Arrowhead isn't doing anything with your imaginary dices. They just decide based on the outcome of the current/prev major order what the next one will be. And remember when we got free railguns and orbital strikes to every mission, Yep that also was them doing their work.

You're welcome.

https://twitter.com/pcgamer/status/1762976064651804801

You're welcome.

[Nihil]

Originally posted by Redeyeflight:

Originally posted by Nihil:

No!
You are the clueless one.
They have literally confirmed several times what a GM in Helldivers is doing.
But here i have done the research for you so you can get yourself educated too for once
https://twitter.com/Pilestedt/status/1763143262464770143

https://youtu.be/3nf1T4HEork?t=417

Arrowhead isn't doing anything with your imaginary dices. They just decide based on the outcome of the current/prev major order what the next one will be. And remember when we got free railguns and orbital strikes to every mission, Yep that also was them doing their work.

You're welcome.

Say what you want, anyone that was tracking Errata Prime over the last couple of weeks knows the truth.

Translation:
"I know you provided proof and evidence against my made up claims. But i won't give up and just keep going with spreading tinfoil hat theories"

[Kalenath]

Originally posted by Redeyeflight:

Say what you want, anyone that was tracking Errata Prime over the last couple of weeks knows the truth.

Truth is the first casualty of war. Innocence is the second.

[Nihil]

Originally posted by (:):

Originally posted by Nihil:

No!
You are the clueless one.
They have literally confirmed several times what a GM in Helldivers is doing.
But here i have done the research for you so you can get yourself educated too for once
https://twitter.com/Pilestedt/status/1763143262464770143

https://youtu.be/3nf1T4HEork?t=417

Arrowhead isn't doing anything with your imaginary dices. They just decide based on the outcome of the current/prev major order what the next one will be. And remember when we got free railguns and orbital strikes to every mission, Yep that also was them doing their work.

You're welcome.

https://twitter.com/pcgamer/status/1762976064651804801

You're welcome.

Yep that was one of the other informations i was referring to in my "They have literally confirmed several times what a GM in Helldivers is doing." sentence :)

But still kudos to you to pasting it here

[(:)]

Originally posted by Nihil:

Originally posted by (:):

https://twitter.com/pcgamer/status/1762976064651804801

You're welcome.

Yep that was one of the other informations i was referring to in my "They have literally confirmed several times what a GM in Helldivers is doing." sentence :)

But still kudos to you to pasting it here

good b/c you just outed yourself for not reading it "Helldivers 2 dev named Joel is pulling the strings on its galactic war like an all-powerful D&D dungeon master"

[Redeyeflight]

Originally posted by Nihil:

Originally posted by Redeyeflight:

Say what you want, anyone that was tracking Errata Prime over the last couple of weeks knows the truth.

Translation:
"I know you provided proof and evidence against my made up claims. But i won't give up and just keep going with spreading tinfoil hat theories"

Naa, It's just pointless to argue with someone who's head is so filled with loyalty to a game company I suspect they work for that company.

Hi Joel.