Opinions on the JAR-5 Dominator?

[John Helldiver]

So I just unlocked this bad boy and my immediate opinion is this.

-Low rate of fire makes the weapon less appealing when fighting against larger groups
-Same applies to the smaller magazine capacity
-Damage is nice but low rate of fire makes the weapon kind of wash out with lighter weapons like the Knight SMG
-Long reload time
-Medium Armor Pen doesn't seam to apply much to heavy Automatons like the rocket bots and heavies with a shield unless you score a headshot.
-Semi Auto is default instead of burst fire mode, burst fire mode is... slow for lack better phrasing.

All in all I want to like this weapon but its first impression is kinda mid when the Knight has carried me well through the last 23 levels (level 24 almost 25)

[akitoscorpio]

I feel like it's a solid anti-bot gun. but generally poor against bugs as you want something with a better ROF and your probably already carrying stratagems for harder armored bug clearing already.

[John Helldiver]

Originally posted by akitoscorpio:

I feel like it's a solid anti-bot gun. but generally poor against bugs as you want something with a better ROF and your probably already carrying stratagems for harder armored bug clearing already.

Well like I said in the original post I've been using it almost exclusively on the bots and it seems to be lacking where a higher ROF weapon might excel? Maybe I'm just more comfortable and spoiled by that withering 1300+ RPM fire rate, lol!

[Chaos]

Bad, it have no niche or at least whatever niche it have is better done by the scorcher.

[akitoscorpio]

Originally posted by Saucy Coffee:

Originally posted by akitoscorpio:

I feel like it's a solid anti-bot gun. but generally poor against bugs as you want something with a better ROF and your probably already carrying stratagems for harder armored bug clearing already.

Well like I said in the original post I've been using it almost exclusively on the bots and it seems to be lacking where a higher ROF weapon might excel? Maybe I'm just more comfortable and spoiled by that withering 1300+ RPM fire rate, lol!

That might be true, but your using a stratagem on the MG that your not having to use with the dominator, you can use that strat on another air-strike, or even a weapon like the rail gun or the disposable anti-tank for taking out heavy armored targets.

[John Helldiver]

Originally posted by akitoscorpio:

Originally posted by Saucy Coffee:

Well like I said in the original post I've been using it almost exclusively on the bots and it seems to be lacking where a higher ROF weapon might excel? Maybe I'm just more comfortable and spoiled by that withering 1300+ RPM fire rate, lol!

That might be true, but your using a stratagem on the MG that your not having to use with the dominator, you can use that strat on another air-strike, or even a weapon like the rail gun or the disposable anti-tank for taking out heavy armored targets.

I think you're confused, I don't use a stratagem on the MG, I use it on the Recoil-less Rifle, and I carry the Knight Submachine Gun as a primary instead- usually. I'm just not seeing a reason to drop the SMG for the JAR-5 when the high rate of fire seems friendlier to my purposes.

[akitoscorpio]

Originally posted by Saucy Coffee:

Originally posted by akitoscorpio:

That might be true, but your using a stratagem on the MG that your not having to use with the dominator, you can use that strat on another air-strike, or even a weapon like the rail gun or the disposable anti-tank for taking out heavy armored targets.

I think you're confused, I don't use a stratagem on the MG, I use it on the Recoil-less Rifle, and I carry the Knight Submachine Gun as a primary instead- usually. I'm just not seeing a reason to drop the SMG for the JAR-5 when the high rate of fire seems friendlier to my purposes.

Ah yeah, I forgot about that gun Since I haven't really messed around with it, yeah if you got a good aim and can tag weak points there's no reason to not use that gun for... frankly anything else in the game.

My aim is personally kinda rough though, so I tend to use breaker for the bugs, Dominator for the bots.

[pie75]

The Dominator is effectively a marksman rifle. It's good when one person in your team has it. And it kills all small bots in one shot, guaranteed, unlike the Scorcher. it's also pretty good at headshotting devastators (i.e. one shot, one kill) at range, which the Scorcher is not.
If you really get to know the Dominator, you'll find that you have way more ammo left over when using it, compared to the Scorcher.

Against bugs, it kills most of them in one shot, too. And it penetrates the head armour of the bigger bugs, blowing their head clean off. Especially useful against Stalkers and Hunters, where the Scorcher's explosion would kill you.

[John Helldiver]

Originally posted by pie75:

The Dominator is effectively a marksman rifle. It's good when one person in your team has it. And it kills all small bots in one shot, guaranteed, unlike the Scorcher. it's also pretty good at headshotting devastators (i.e. one shot, one kill) at range, which the Scorcher is not.
If you really get to know the Dominator, you'll find that you have way more ammo left over when using it, compared to the Scorcher.

Against bugs, it kills most of them in one shot, too. And it penetrates the head armour of the bigger bugs, blowing their head clean off. Especially useful against Stalkers and Hunters, where the Scorcher's explosion would kill you.

How about the Liberator Penetrator? It has twice the ROF but only a quarter of the damage output.

[akitoscorpio]

Originally posted by Saucy Coffee:

Originally posted by pie75:

The Dominator is effectively a marksman rifle. It's good when one person in your team has it. And it kills all small bots in one shot, guaranteed, unlike the Scorcher. it's also pretty good at headshotting devastators (i.e. one shot, one kill) at range, which the Scorcher is not.
If you really get to know the Dominator, you'll find that you have way more ammo left over when using it, compared to the Scorcher.

Against bugs, it kills most of them in one shot, too. And it penetrates the head armour of the bigger bugs, blowing their head clean off. Especially useful against Stalkers and Hunters, where the Scorcher's explosion would kill you.

How about the Liberator Penetrator? It has twice the ROF but only a quarter of the damage output.

I honestly wanted to like that gun, but the lack of damage per round kinda didn't do much for me.

Granted half the game is finding weapons that feel right for you to use.

[pie75]

Originally posted by Saucy Coffee:

How about the Liberator Penetrator? It has twice the ROF but only a quarter of the damage output.

The penetrator is what I like to call "We have the Justice at home."

it's a flat upgrade to the Liberator when fighting bugs, and not much else. The extra penetration means shooting it into hordes with SOME armoured bugs is a good use of ammo. You can easily depend on it, especially if your aim is weaker.

I wouldn't advise carrying it against bots, as the penetration isn't enough to offer an advantage there. The extra ammo from the regular Liberator will suppress the bots more, and give you more chances to hit a lucky headshot, which is always a kill, on every bot except the hulk.

[ThatSage114]

Originally posted by Saucy Coffee:

So I just unlocked this bad boy and my immediate opinion is this.

-Low rate of fire makes the weapon less appealing when fighting against larger groups
-Same applies to the smaller magazine capacity
-Damage is nice but low rate of fire makes the weapon kind of wash out with lighter weapons like the Knight SMG
-Long reload time
-Medium Armor Pen doesn't seam to apply much to heavy Automatons like the rocket bots and heavies with a shield unless you score a headshot.
-Semi Auto is default instead of burst fire mode, burst fire mode is... slow for lack better phrasing.

All in all I want to like this weapon but its first impression is kinda mid when the Knight has carried me well through the last 23 levels (level 24 almost 25)

ur supposed not to fight larger groups or small bugs and automatons (as you rather use a shotgun or sniper rifle at its head). Medium armor pen is good against medium bugs such as bile spitters, Hive Guards, Brood Commanders, Stalkers etc.

Try my build out.

Use Redeemer for small bugs and soft small bugs add clearing. While for large add clearing use Eagle Airstrike and Eagle Clusters. Burst fire is good to spam damage at things.

Pick and choose when and how to fight.

[John Helldiver]

Originally posted by ThatSage114:

Originally posted by Saucy Coffee:

So I just unlocked this bad boy and my immediate opinion is this.

-Low rate of fire makes the weapon less appealing when fighting against larger groups
-Same applies to the smaller magazine capacity
-Damage is nice but low rate of fire makes the weapon kind of wash out with lighter weapons like the Knight SMG
-Long reload time
-Medium Armor Pen doesn't seam to apply much to heavy Automatons like the rocket bots and heavies with a shield unless you score a headshot.
-Semi Auto is default instead of burst fire mode, burst fire mode is... slow for lack better phrasing.

All in all I want to like this weapon but its first impression is kinda mid when the Knight has carried me well through the last 23 levels (level 24 almost 25)

ur supposed not to fight larger groups or small bugs and automatons (as you rather use a shotgun or sniper rifle at its head). Medium armor pen is good against medium bugs such as bile spitters, Hive Guards, Brood Commanders, Stalkers etc.

Try my build out.

Use Redeemer for small bugs and soft small bugs add clearing. While for large add clearing use Eagle Airstrike and Eagle Clusters. Burst fire is good to spam damage at things.

Pick and choose when and how to fight.

I think you're also confused. I'm not busy with the bugs, I'm busy on the Automaton front.

[ThatSage114]

Originally posted by Saucy Coffee:

Originally posted by ThatSage114:

ur supposed not to fight larger groups or small bugs and automatons (as you rather use a shotgun or sniper rifle at its head). Medium armor pen is good against medium bugs such as bile spitters, Hive Guards, Brood Commanders, Stalkers etc.

Try my build out.

Use Redeemer for small bugs and soft small bugs add clearing. While for large add clearing use Eagle Airstrike and Eagle Clusters. Burst fire is good to spam damage at things.

Pick and choose when and how to fight.

I think you're also confused. I'm not busy with the bugs, I'm busy on the Automaton front.

probably but thats what the dominator is used for. for automaton just use a shotgun or sniper rifle to shoot the head. Most bigger bots have battery things at its back as well..

[Devious_Craven]

I prefer the Diligence for bots but I like the JAR-5 for bugs.

For bots I feel like the lack of handling makes it a bit too slow to take out things like devastators, I'd rather use the AMR or Auto Cannon for that. The slower projectiles also make it a bit hard for picking off bot weakpoints.

Against bugs, the JAR-5 lacks the ammo but it punches hard enough to kill all the medium sized bugs easily. That way I can spam EATs and leave the trash clear to either stratagems or my team.

It's obviously not better than the Breaker but I'm not a fan of using the best guns because it's boring. If the JAR-5 had more ammo I think it would be a bit more competitive, but I will still bring it against bugs and use the HMG turret or airstrikes to clear trash.

[Stuffedpotatoe]

Originally posted by akitoscorpio:

I feel like it's a solid anti-bot gun. but generally poor against bugs as you want something with a better ROF and your probably already carrying stratagems for harder armored bug clearing already.

Opposite for me. take less rounds for bugs and more for bots. scorcher vs bot kill striders from the front is the main benefit to me. i use my redeemer in semi mode mostly as a primary for weak enemies and primary for medium and heavy slot for w.e i feel like for heavies.