Helldivers vs ODSTs

[Blozzy]

Who got better training, weapons and combat experience? Ima leave out startagems cause that's just not fair

[SievertChaser]

ODSTs aren't in a satirical setting and get more than three minutes of training before being shoved into a crypod. Their weaponry is slightly less advanced vis a vis the upper end of Superearth's pilfered Illuminate energy weapons, and they don't have anything like ebergy shields.

[Tigerhawk71]

helldivers get almost no training and the attrition rate is 80%...

[Mander]

1) Training: ODST
2) Weapons: mileage may vary, but I would say Helldivers, but only if we include pages’ 7/8/9 weapons.
3) Combat Experience: Helldivers. Space Vietnam didn’t stop us. We’re blitzing through battles so fast that PTSD can’t keep up with us.

[SievertChaser]

Originally posted by Mander:

3) Combat Experience: Helldivers. Space Vietnam didn’t stop us. We’re blitzing through battles so fast that PTSD can’t keep up with us.

ODSTs have fought a losing war for 25 years...

[Some Kinda Kobold]

Originally posted by Mander:

1) Training: ODST
2) Weapons: mileage may vary, but I would say Helldivers, but only if we include pages’ 7/8/9 weapons.
3) Combat Experience: Helldivers. Space Vietnam didn’t stop us. We’re blitzing through battles so fast that PTSD can’t keep up with us.

Helldivers are given bare minimum training (A training that can kill them). Are loaded onto a rocket with dozens of other bodies. Loaded into a Carrier ship in Cryo sleep. And defrosted one by one as the previous 'owner' bites it.

Every respawn is a new character. helldivers are nothing but canon fodder for the meat grinder.

On the other hand, ODST's are all given harsher and more rigorous training. They are designed to be the best of the best. And in halo's universe, every single human body is precious, given how hard the Covenant, Flood, banished and forerunners have beaten them back. They have available to them The best training, Weapons and armour a Non-spartan can get their hands on.

If we strip away Stratagems, An ODST would beat the ever-loving ♥♥♥♥ out of a helldiver.

[Operator]

ODST, more training, and more specialized.
weapons, probably HD... but ODST are trained with covenant weapons too, soo if they had them maybe ODST take that too.

vehicles also goes to ODST, yes the super destroyer is impressive, but the UNSC frigate has a scary as all hell MAC cannon that is capable of taking out far more advanced Covenant shields. they also have FENRIS Nuclear weapons on board.

ODST can call in warthogs and Scorpions for missions if they need them with the Pelican, but they also have Longsword and Saber support depending on the mission.

Comparable to the HD Eagle, but unlike HD that only has the 1 in the ship, the USCN frigate has many many aerospace assets inside it.

So I think the UNSC and ODST are goign to have to take the W on this one.

[Some Kinda Kobold]

Originally posted by Operator:

ODST, more training, and more specialized.
weapons, probably HD... but ODST are trained with covenant weapons too, soo if they had them maybe ODST take that too.

vehicles also goes to ODST, yes the super destroyer is impressive, but the UNSC frigate has a scary as all hell MAC cannon that is capable of taking out far more advanced Covenant shields. they also have FENRIS Nuclear weapons on board.

ODST can call in warthogs and Scorpions for missions if they need them with the Pelican, but they also have Longsword and Saber support depending on the mission.

Comparable to the HD Eagle, but unlike HD that only has the 1 in the ship, the USCN frigate has many many aerospace assets inside it.

So I think the UNSC and ODST are goign to have to take the W on this one.

Now I think about it.

95% of a helldiver's combat effectiveness disappears the moment the Super Carrier leaves Orbit. Whereas ODST's are trained to get themselves lost in the thick of it with no support for extended periods of time.

[Operator]

Originally posted by Some Kinda Kobold:

Originally posted by Operator:

ODST, more training, and more specialized.
weapons, probably HD... but ODST are trained with covenant weapons too, soo if they had them maybe ODST take that too.

vehicles also goes to ODST, yes the super destroyer is impressive, but the UNSC frigate has a scary as all hell MAC cannon that is capable of taking out far more advanced Covenant shields. they also have FENRIS Nuclear weapons on board.

ODST can call in warthogs and Scorpions for missions if they need them with the Pelican, but they also have Longsword and Saber support depending on the mission.

Comparable to the HD Eagle, but unlike HD that only has the 1 in the ship, the USCN frigate has many many aerospace assets inside it.

So I think the UNSC and ODST are goign to have to take the W on this one.

Now I think about it.

95% of a helldiver's combat effectiveness disappears the moment the Super Carrier leaves Orbit. Whereas ODST's are trained to get themselves lost in the thick of it with no support for extended periods of time.

You have a really good point I totally missed that... Though I wonder if that is a game mechanic or Lore.

[Mander]

Originally posted by SievertChaser:

Originally posted by Mander:

3) Combat Experience: Helldivers. Space Vietnam didn’t stop us. We’re blitzing through battles so fast that PTSD can’t keep up with us.

ODSTs have fought a losing war for 25 years...

My point exactly: even with the lack of training and Super Earth stance on human resources, the Helldivers are winning on all front.

[Calv]

Originally posted by Mander:

Originally posted by SievertChaser:

ODSTs have fought a losing war for 25 years...

My point exactly: even with the lack of training and Super Earth stance on human resources, the Helldivers are winning on all front.

Think you might be mistaking quantity for quality there, and slightly overlooking the differences in the enemies being fought.

ODST is facing a technologically superior enemy, Helldivers are not.

[shoelessbob]

Helldivers have the power of democracy on their side.

[Salty Slothy]

Originally posted by SievertChaser:

Originally posted by Mander:

3) Combat Experience: Helldivers. Space Vietnam didn’t stop us. We’re blitzing through battles so fast that PTSD can’t keep up with us.

ODSTs have fought a losing war for 25 years...

Helldivers have fought for centuries with super earth having canonically been destroyed multiple times.

[Operator]

Originally posted by Salty Slothy:

Originally posted by SievertChaser:

ODSTs have fought a losing war for 25 years...

Helldivers have fought for centuries with super earth having canonically been destroyed multiple times.

True, but they don't train their hell divers with all of that gathered knowledge.
it's minimal at best.

[Mander]

Originally posted by Calv:

Originally posted by Mander:

My point exactly: even with the lack of training and Super Earth stance on human resources, the Helldivers are winning on all front.

Think you might be mistaking quantity for quality there, and slightly overlooking the differences in the enemies being fought.

ODST is facing a technologically superior enemy, Helldivers are not.

Automatons son? Have you ever fought them?

[Operator]

Originally posted by Mander:

Originally posted by Calv:

Think you might be mistaking quantity for quality there, and slightly overlooking the differences in the enemies being fought.

ODST is facing a technologically superior enemy, Helldivers are not.

Automatons son? Have you ever fought them?

Not really comparable to the Covenant really, they seem far more fragile.