heavy armour is mostly useless against bugs or they have a massive crit chance.

[Daos]

a scavenger doing 70% health to my toe from below so 100% cannot be a headshot, wtf i have 200 armour.
armour means nothing against bugs most of the time so do not bother take light as well if they headshot or crit its the same damage anyway pretty much.

also getting 2 taped by hunters over and over with the strongest armour in the game. na

remove this crit thing you have or fix this bug please.
i am very much a tank style gamer so this makes me sad.

[Vivianite]

stand up? like what are you doing putting your head that low for a scavenger like a circus lion. you can't get 2 tapped by hunters, even in medium armor, stop standing still and move?

[Hoxton]

An armor that makes you slower is useless against an enemy that you’re supposed to outrun and not get swarmed? Thats crazy

Heavy armor sucks but there is too many people on this game that think every stratagem / weapon / armor type should be viable against both factions, some are clearly stronger against bots while some are stronger against bugs and we’re still waiting on illuminates

[DtHouse]

I thinks the best armor are the scout armor vs bugs, since they will outrun you if you move slow. For bot i don't know, i don't do a lot of bots missions, i don't like it alot xD

[Nero]

Originally posted by Vivianite:

stand up? like what are you doing putting your head that low for a scavenger like a circus lion. you can't get 2 tapped by hunters, even in medium armor, stop standing still and move?

You should read more carefully next time.
„Headshots“ can currently trigger on any part of the body and those ignore armor which kills you in 2 shots from even the smallest bugs

[Vivianite]

Originally posted by Nero:

Originally posted by Vivianite:

stand up? like what are you doing putting your head that low for a scavenger like a circus lion. you can't get 2 tapped by hunters, even in medium armor, stop standing still and move?

You should read more carefully next time.
„Headshots“ can currently trigger on any part of the body and those ignore armor which kills you in 2 shots from even the smallest bugs

i -never- had this problem, like, ever, scavengers a plenty it just doesn't happen. not using the 50% to mitigate death armor btw. that's why i find it difficult to believe its a thing

[Vespertellino]

Originally posted by Daos:

so 100% cannot be a headshot

Of course it can

[Nero]

Originally posted by Vivianite:

Originally posted by Nero:

You should read more carefully next time.
„Headshots“ can currently trigger on any part of the body and those ignore armor which kills you in 2 shots from even the smallest bugs

i -never- had this problem, like, ever, scavengers a plenty it just doesn't happen. not using the 50% to mitigate death armor btw. that's why i find it difficult to believe its a thing

My clan tested it on bugs on hard after the armor patch and it happened to all 4 of us with (very)light/medium/heavy/heavy.

It seemed to be most common on light armor but we stopped testing after 20 minutes as the bigger units (the ones above warrior) seemed to kill in two hits no matter the armor rating.

[Zheppon]

never use heavy armor since that armor is useless

[Vivianite]

Originally posted by Nero:

Originally posted by Vivianite:

i -never- had this problem, like, ever, scavengers a plenty it just doesn't happen. not using the 50% to mitigate death armor btw. that's why i find it difficult to believe its a thing

My clan tested it on bugs on hard after the armor patch and it happened to all 4 of us with (very)light/medium/heavy/heavy.

It seemed to be most common on light armor but we stopped testing after 20 minutes as the bigger units (the ones above warrior) seemed to kill in two hits no matter the armor rating.

yeah stalkers are savagely strong, it's rare to survive two hits from them, but brood commanders (red ones) while strong, are not strong enough to do it in two.
i dunno i just, havent really noticed it, i get smacked around all the time but it's never a two shot unless it's something very strong like a stalker or a charger

[Mr. Fancy Pants. Bot.]

I usually use medium armor for bugs (Don't have light unlocked yet or I would use that) Stamina is just WAY to critical against them since they are mostly melle and can slow you. If you get slowed by hunter who can gap close with leaps while wearing heavy armor you are MASSIVELY boned unless you spam dive for like a 5% chance of surviving the swarming. Hunters and stalker just counter the ♥♥♥♥ out of you with heavy armor. It really sucks because flame thrower is my favorite weapon in game which is a huge problem with light armor because you want to be near the fight at all times where heavy shines but it's suicide against bugs. I use heavy armor for bots ONLY where most are ranged or extermination mission if I have at least another team member because you don't have to move much. Stamina is absolutely vital in this game.

[XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX]

Originally posted by Vivianite:

stand up? like what are you doing putting your head that low for a scavenger like a circus lion. you can't get 2 tapped by hunters, even in medium armor, stop standing still and move?

you can be standing straight up and a scav can still headshot you sometimes.

[Pain]

As a new player, I probably just experienced this bug and it absolutely killed my desire to play this game. The bug is ridiculous.

[jey123456]

Originally posted by XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX:

Originally posted by Vivianite:

stand up? like what are you doing putting your head that low for a scavenger like a circus lion. you can't get 2 tapped by hunters, even in medium armor, stop standing still and move?

you can be standing straight up and a scav can still headshot you sometimes.

yep, its pretty annoying. seem to happen more or less 30% of the time.

Armor is currently implemented in a very lazy way. its not "each part have their armor" kind of thing.

its just body armor, damage reduction is based on the sum of your armor rating (helmet + cape + chest), so its not 50 armor vs 150 armor, its 250armor vs 350armor, not nearly as big a difference.

We dont have actual number for damage. but we can compare 2 armor. and comparing 250 armor rating and 350armor rating on scavenger while ignoring the "Critical hit" gives you 5 hit in light armor vs 7 hit in heavy armor.

350/250 = 1.4
1.4 x 5hits = 7 hits

So heavy armor can take 40% more "regular hit". its not great, but its not horrible. The problem in that is the "regular" part of it. everything, and i do mean everything can deal you hit that will straight up ignore armor, even the little scavenger scratching your ankle, will deal 70% of your hp more or less once every 3 hits.

[0Synergy]

Yeah random damage still hasn't been fixed even after armor got fixed, spewers still 1 shot through shield, hunters still drain 70% of my HP when they hit my toe, sometimes I take 0 damage when I should have died, its genuinely completely random. Maybe its server based to prevent cheating and because of that its so buggy? Who knows.