Insane PS5 bug is destroying balance

[heng]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b6kSsMY_yM

To all the smug people (including that dev calling Railgun users braindead) thinking they're just that good because they 1-2 shot Bile Titans, it's abundantly clear now that you guys have just been benefiting from a huge huge bug, and owe everyone a huge apology.

Spitz told this one user here that it's a bug and that the PC health values are the correct one, but there's been no official acknowledgement even after all this time. If only one PS5 member needs to be present, this means that a large percentage of the data used to drive balance choices were just... wrong.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/553850/discussions/0/4298194451992044813/

[Space Wolf Hudson]

Originally posted by Furia:

Originally posted by Space Wolf Hudson:

No

here's a response for your low effort response.
https://youtu.be/sq_Fm7qfRQk?si=F6CY4B-PmwOAJfXp

I wont watch that, too much effort. :D

[pwn3dg4m3r]

Originally posted by heng:

Originally posted by pwn3dg4m3r:

I'm talking about the dev apologizing after making a rude comment not that they undid the nerf.

The part that was "settled" is that he shouldn't have publicly had a meltdown, even if he might have been completely right.

Now we have new information that the entire patch and his mocking judgement was formed around bad data.

Yes his comment was unwarranted but this bug just has to do with bile titans not any other enemy. So we don't know if the entire reason why the RG was nerf was because of this one bug or if, and more than very likely, the RG was nerf because of how well it preformed across the board not just against one enemy.

[Furia]

Originally posted by pwn3dg4m3r:

Originally posted by Furia:

what settled matter? the nerf patch is still here no?

I'm talking about the dev apologizing after making a rude comment not that they undid the nerf.

how do you not see it?

1. PS5 railgun bug made people think railgun was OP.
2. Dev proceeded to nerf railgun into the ground. (watch the fking video before you object)
3. Dev mocked player while dropping the patch.
4. Dev apologize about the rude comment, but fanboy continued to mock player. "git gud"
5. people found out the railgun is bugged, not actually OP.
6. in the end, the devs didn't do their homework before dropping the nerf patch, mocked player while dropping the unjustified nerf patch, apologized, but that patch is still here. that's a big "F you" to player's face.

[Space Wolf Hudson]

Originally posted by heng:

Originally posted by pwn3dg4m3r:

I'm talking about the dev apologizing after making a rude comment not that they undid the nerf.

The part that was "settled" is that he shouldn't have publicly had a meltdown, even if he might have been completely right.

Now we have new information that the entire patch and his mocking judgement was formed around bad data.

But you don't know the data they've used. You don't know since when they know about that bug internally and if they have taken it into account for the balance patch.

For me personally the balance feels so much better now. The only thing that bugs me is the spawn rates, especially on high difficulties, which they are working on.

[Furia]

Originally posted by Space Wolf Hudson:

Originally posted by Furia:

here's a response for your low effort response.
https://youtu.be/sq_Fm7qfRQk?si=F6CY4B-PmwOAJfXp

I wont watch that, too much effort. :D

made you typed more words. word. 🤪

[Furia]

Originally posted by Space Wolf Hudson:

Originally posted by heng:

The part that was "settled" is that he shouldn't have publicly had a meltdown, even if he might have been completely right.

Now we have new information that the entire patch and his mocking judgement was formed around bad data.

But you don't know the data they've used. You don't know since when they know about that bug internally and if they have taken it into account for the balance patch.

For me personally the balance feels so much better now. The only thing that bugs me is the spawn rates, especially on high difficulties, which they are working on.

whatever data they used is crap. the devs is either ahole for giving ps5 the edge or incompetent for not doing enough testing.

balance "feels" better eh? - LOL I bet it feels so good you can't even put that feeling in words.

[Space Wolf Hudson]

Originally posted by Furia:

Originally posted by Space Wolf Hudson:

But you don't know the data they've used. You don't know since when they know about that bug internally and if they have taken it into account for the balance patch.

For me personally the balance feels so much better now. The only thing that bugs me is the spawn rates, especially on high difficulties, which they are working on.

whatever data they used is crap. the devs is either ahole for giving ps5 the edge or incompetent for not doing enough testing.

balance "feels" better eh? - LOL I bet it feels so good you can't even put that feeling in words.

Ok

[pwn3dg4m3r]

Originally posted by Furia:

Originally posted by pwn3dg4m3r:

I'm talking about the dev apologizing after making a rude comment not that they undid the nerf.

how do you not see it?

1. PS5 railgun bug made people think railgun was OP.
2. Dev proceeded to nerf railgun into the ground. (watch the fking video before you object)
3. Dev mocked player while dropping the patch.
4. Dev apologize about the rude comment, but fanboy continued to mock player. "git gud"
5. people found out the railgun is bugged, not actually OP.
6. in the end, the devs didn't do their homework before dropping the nerf patch, mocked player while dropping the unjustified nerf patch, apologized, but that patch is still here. that's a big "F you" to player's face.

I did watch the video, I'm going to assume you did too but misheard what was said.

The railgun is not bugged, bile titans are on PS5 that causes them to take way more damage than what they should take (I myself noticed this one when I one shotted a bile titan with a EAT).

Meaning that any weapon used on bile titans will cause loads more damage than what they would normally do.

So, if this was truly the reason why railguns got nerfed (it wasn't) then they would of also have seen every other weapon outperforming against bile titans.

The truth is RG's really were the go to weapon for any and all situations not just bile titans. The nerf was warranted and people are still completing helldiver difficulty despite the nerf which means the only people the nerf hurt were the ones overly relying on the railgun.

Yes people are doing more running now but that will change with buff to other weapons.

[Furia]

Originally posted by Space Wolf Hudson:

Originally posted by Furia:

whatever data they used is crap. the devs is either ahole for giving ps5 the edge or incompetent for not doing enough testing.

balance "feels" better eh? - LOL I bet it feels so good you can't even put that feeling in words.

Ok

good to see you coming to an agreement on how the dev sucks.

[Space Wolf Hudson]

Originally posted by pwn3dg4m3r:

Originally posted by Furia:

how do you not see it?

1. PS5 railgun bug made people think railgun was OP.
2. Dev proceeded to nerf railgun into the ground. (watch the fking video before you object)
3. Dev mocked player while dropping the patch.
4. Dev apologize about the rude comment, but fanboy continued to mock player. "git gud"
5. people found out the railgun is bugged, not actually OP.
6. in the end, the devs didn't do their homework before dropping the nerf patch, mocked player while dropping the unjustified nerf patch, apologized, but that patch is still here. that's a big "F you" to player's face.

I did watch the video, I'm going to assume you did too but misheard what was said.

The railgun is not bugged, bile titans are on PS5 that causes them to take way more damage than what they should take (I myself noticed this one when I one shotted a bile titan with a EAT).

Meaning that any weapon used on bile titans will cause loads more damage than what they would normally do.

So, if this was truly the reason why railguns got nerfed (it wasn't) then they would of also have seen every other weapon outperforming against bile titans.

The truth is RG's really were the go to weapon for any and all situations not just bile titans. The nerf was warranted and people are still completing helldiver difficulty despite the nerf which means the only people the nerf hurt were the ones overly relying on the railgun.

Yes people are doing more running now but that will change with buff to other weapons.

Exactly this

[Furia]

Originally posted by pwn3dg4m3r:

I did watch the video, I'm going to assume you did too but misheard what was said.

The railgun is not bugged, bile titans are on PS5 that causes them to take way more damage than what they should take (I myself noticed this one when I one shotted a bile titan with a EAT).

Meaning that any weapon used on bile titans will cause loads more damage than what they would normally do.

So, if this was truly the reason why railguns got nerfed (it wasn't) then they would of also have seen every other weapon outperforming against bile titans.

The truth is RG's really were the go to weapon for any and all situations not just bile titans. The nerf was warranted and people are still completing helldiver difficulty despite the nerf which means the only people the nerf hurt were the ones overly relying on the railgun.

Yes people are doing more running now but that will change with buff to other weapons.

you still didn't get the point then.

Pre-nerf with PS5 bug- RG 2 shots to kill titan
Pre-nerf without PS5 bug- RG - 6 shots to kill titan

Post-nerf with PS4 bug- RG still 2 shots to kill titan
Pre-nerf without PS5 - RG - fking 20+ shots to kill titan

don't bring "people still completing helldive" or "need reply too much on railgun" out of this conversation. I cleared Helldive a few times after the patch and decided it's not fun. and people will always use what is better for them to win. otherwise why don't you punch your way to victory like a real man.

[pwn3dg4m3r]

Originally posted by Furia:

Originally posted by pwn3dg4m3r:

I did watch the video, I'm going to assume you did too but misheard what was said.

The railgun is not bugged, bile titans are on PS5 that causes them to take way more damage than what they should take (I myself noticed this one when I one shotted a bile titan with a EAT).

Meaning that any weapon used on bile titans will cause loads more damage than what they would normally do.

So, if this was truly the reason why railguns got nerfed (it wasn't) then they would of also have seen every other weapon outperforming against bile titans.

The truth is RG's really were the go to weapon for any and all situations not just bile titans. The nerf was warranted and people are still completing helldiver difficulty despite the nerf which means the only people the nerf hurt were the ones overly relying on the railgun.

Yes people are doing more running now but that will change with buff to other weapons.

you still didn't get the point then.

Pre-nerf with PS5 bug- RG 2 shots to kill titan
Pre-nerf without PS5 bug- RG - 6 shots to kill titan

Post-nerf with PS4 bug- RG still 2 shots to kill titan
Pre-nerf without PS5 - RG - fking 20+ shots to kill titan

don't bring "people still completing helldive" or "need reply too much on railgun" out of this conversation. I cleared Helldive a few times after the patch and decided it's not fun. and people will always use what is better for them to win. otherwise why don't you punch your way to victory like a real man.

No, I get the point, just not sure what point you're trying to make now.

Prenerf without bug RG took 6 shots to down a bile titan, so you're saying everyone used RG on bile titans and by extension since RG downed an enemy as tanky as a bile titan also just used it on everything else.

Kinda sounds like it was an overtuned weapon that was used for any and all situations.

RG needing to take 20+ shots to down a bile titan now just sounds like you should not be soling relying on RG to fight one and instead use stratagems and other weapons,

[Noctover]

Bug does exist, makes game easy.

RG needed nerfing anyway, Bile Titans have never really been an issue; I'd argue tanks are more disruptive and it was way too easy to dispatch them with the RG.

RG made weapons redundant. RG made mechanics redundant. I doubt it was nerfed solely on PS5 2 shotting Bile Titans.

[Furia]

Originally posted by pwn3dg4m3r:

Originally posted by Furia:

you still didn't get the point then.

Pre-nerf with PS5 bug- RG 2 shots to kill titan
Pre-nerf without PS5 bug- RG - 6 shots to kill titan

Post-nerf with PS4 bug- RG still 2 shots to kill titan
Pre-nerf without PS5 - RG - fking 20+ shots to kill titan

don't bring "people still completing helldive" or "need reply too much on railgun" out of this conversation. I cleared Helldive a few times after the patch and decided it's not fun. and people will always use what is better for them to win. otherwise why don't you punch your way to victory like a real man.

No, I get the point, just not sure what point you're trying to make now.

Prenerf without bug RG took 6 shots to down a bile titan, so you're saying everyone used RG on bile titans and by extension since RG downed an enemy as tanky as a bile titan also just used it on everything else.

Kinda sounds like it was an overtuned weapon that was used for any and all situations.

RG needing to take 20+ shots to down a bile titan now just sounds like you should not be soling relying on RG to fight one and instead use stratagems and other weapons,

my point is...

what is the point of nerfing RG if PS5 player can still 2 shot titan?

whatever the devs intended to do... it made absolutely no difference whatsoever to PS5 players. RG is still the to go weapon on PS5 and still can kill titan in 2 hits.

RG needing 20+ shots to take down a bile titan now sounds like the Devs ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up the Lv20 weapon for the sake of diversity. Make other weapon better if they want diversity, not nerfing what people like to use.

[Furia]

Originally posted by Noctover:

Bug does exist, makes game easy.

RG needed nerfing anyway, Bile Titans have never really been an issue; I'd argue tanks are more disruptive and it was way too easy to dispatch them with the RG.

RG made weapons redundant. RG made mechanics redundant. I doubt it was nerfed solely on PS5 2 shotting Bile Titans.

RG didn't make weapons/mechanic redundant. A Spear rocket can't 1 shot a tank from the top is redundant.

people like railgun because it can kill and doesn't require ammo backpack so they can use shield. people use shield, because the robot has fking aimbot.

don't like shield or railgun myself, but it gets the job done easy why would I want to make my life difficult for no reason? I play Difficulty 9 because I like challenge, but I am no masochist.