Primary Weapons overall are fine.

[C4NNED]

There are complaints about primary weapons being too weak.
This is partially by design because Hell Divers is a COOP horde shooter. But also inspired by the movies and even basic military knowledge and doctrines. It wants you to stay close to your allies. Cover your team mates. Coordinate your fire. When your stratagems are exhausted and the team is falling apart it isn't because the primarys suck its because you guys are not playing as a team concentrating your fire and efficiently utilizing your primaries.

This is not to say some primaries need buffs. Just speaking about the overall implementation and the role that primaries have in this game.

[Valhalla Awaits]

Originally posted by ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️:

Primary are not fine it's shotgun or nothing

Correct. Shotguns are the only viable primaries right now. As they hit 6-10x harder than rifles, have high capacities, and have significant range too. Rifles utterly fail to compete in any way other than having "slightly" better range, at the cost of DRASTICALLY lower damage, and no stopping power at all.

[C4NNED]

Originally posted by Valhalla Awaits:

Originally posted by C4NNED:

There are complaints about primary weapons being too weak.
This is partially by design because Hell Divers is a COOP horde shooter. But also inspired by the movies and even basic military knowledge and doctrines. It wants you to stay close to your allies. Cover your team mates. Coordinate your fire. When your stratagems are exhausted and the team is falling apart it isn't because the primarys suck its because you guys are not playing as a team concentrating your fire and efficiently utilizing your primaries.

This is not to say some primaries need buffs. Just speaking about the overall implementation and the role that primaries have in this game.

Except thats not true. Some primaries are very strong (Shotguns in general) and others are complete and total GARBAGE. (Rifles in general)

Rifles are fine for the most part. More ammo efficient than the automatic shotguns and still kill warriors and hunters very well.

[Traveler]

Originally posted by Parco:

Originally posted by Chaos:

Yes, because you are meant to "uSe thE sTRatAgeM" and your primary are "oNlY pRimaRy iN a seNse tHat yOu SpAWn wItH onE"

this is what happens when you use your stratagems properly and efficiently
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK1YfBe30nc

This is before the Breaker nerf, also the spawn rates aren't cranked to hell. Boot up Helldiver difficulty right now and I guarantee you there will be significantly more enemies coming at you than in the video you shared.

[Kan3da.]

Originally posted by ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️:

Primary are not fine it's shotgun or nothing

I dont want it to be true, but it is. I keep rotating all the other guns in once in a while for a campaign or two just to come to the same conclusion every time:

Its a lot more work without any real benefits.

Id love to use the other stuff its just not worth it.

[C4NNED]

Originally posted by Valhalla Awaits:

Originally posted by ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️:

Primary are not fine it's shotgun or nothing

Correct. Shotguns are the only viable primaries right now. As they hit 6-10x harder than rifles, have high capacities, and have significant range too. Rifles utterly fail to compete in any way other than having "slightly" better range, at the cost of DRASTICALLY lower damage, and no stopping power at all.

Originally posted by Kleiner's final Form:

This argument would have ground if all primaries gained effectiveness when you line up and concentrate fire. Somehow, I don't think the devs intended for you to use the sniper rifles to stand 100m across from a bug hole and spray it like a machine gun. I think that's what the machine guns are for.

The effectiveness of focusing down a target is that it dies quicker. It really doesn't have to be a game mechanism. It already happens in game. DMRs need a buff no doubt. Armor piercing and higher damage close to that of shot guns.

[Katitoff]

Originally posted by Valhalla Awaits:

Originally posted by ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️:

Primary are not fine it's shotgun or nothing

Correct. Shotguns are the only viable primaries right now

Go fight bots with shotguns.
Tell us how it went.

[Silikone]

Originally posted by Valhalla Awaits:

Originally posted by ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️:

Primary are not fine it's shotgun or nothing

Correct. Shotguns are the only viable primaries right now. As they hit 6-10x harder than rifles, have high capacities, and have significant range too. Rifles utterly fail to compete in any way other than having "slightly" better range, at the cost of DRASTICALLY lower damage, and no stopping power at all.

Sadly I agree with that.

Would love to use an assault rifle, especially against automatons, but every time I tried I just looted the breakers of fallen mates...

[John Digger]

Originally posted by Katitoff:

Originally posted by Valhalla Awaits:

Correct. Shotguns are the only viable primaries right now

Go fight bots with shotguns.
Tell us how it went.

Amazing a little but of cover and peek shooting and we shred you see that big robot with double chainsaw? Gone split in half in 5 breaker shot and less from punisher normal robot? 1 shot punisher slug can literally rip a leg from that AT-RT looking ass robot next question

[Timbletop]

Originally posted by C4NNED:

There are complaints about primary weapons being too weak.
This is partially by design because Hell Divers is a COOP horde shooter. But also inspired by the movies and even basic military knowledge and doctrines. It wants you to stay close to your allies. Cover your team mates. Coordinate your fire. When your stratagems are exhausted and the team is falling apart it isn't because the primarys suck its because you guys are not playing as a team concentrating your fire and efficiently utilizing your primaries.

This is not to say some primaries need buffs. Just speaking about the overall implementation and the role that primaries have in this game.

people complaining that primaries are ineffective are so strange. you can killl everything in this g me with every gun, even a bile titan or tank. and yes, a damn tank. hell i love the explosive liberator, its a great utility gun with good ammo, it pairs so well with AOE. EAT and RR are so underused its hilarious that people complain about chargers. PSA to anyone who misses the old railgun SWITCH TO EATS, its a one shot strip to the leg armor, has a minute cooldown, and the pod can even kill the chargers too. if you seriously expect to kill a bug the size of an elephant with half a foot of armor with a damn shotgun you are insane.

[John Digger]

Originally posted by Timbletop:

Originally posted by C4NNED:

There are complaints about primary weapons being too weak.
This is partially by design because Hell Divers is a COOP horde shooter. But also inspired by the movies and even basic military knowledge and doctrines. It wants you to stay close to your allies. Cover your team mates. Coordinate your fire. When your stratagems are exhausted and the team is falling apart it isn't because the primarys suck its because you guys are not playing as a team concentrating your fire and efficiently utilizing your primaries.

This is not to say some primaries need buffs. Just speaking about the overall implementation and the role that primaries have in this game.

people complaining that primaries are ineffective are so strange. you can killl everything in this g me with every gun, even a bile titan or tank. and yes, a damn tank. hell i love the explosive liberator, its a great utility gun with good ammo, it pairs so well with AOE. EAT and RR are so underused its hilarious that people complain about chargers. PSA to anyone who misses the old railgun SWITCH TO EATS, its a one shot strip to the leg armor, has a minute cooldown, and the pod can even kill the chargers too. if you seriously expect to kill a bug the size of an elephant with half a foot of armor with a damn shotgun you are insane.

EXPLOSIVE Liberator?
Oh you mean "CONCUSSIVE" Liberator the gun doesn't do well as explosive weapon and dev change it's name without mentioning it in patch note isn't it funny?

[Mukasi]

Originally posted by vid23:

There are a lot of coop horde shooters where most of the guns dont suck balls

maybe, but it doesnt mean Helldivers must be the same.

[Queltis]

Originally posted by C4NNED:

There are complaints about primary weapons being too weak.
This is partially by design because Hell Divers is a COOP horde shooter. But also inspired by the movies and even basic military knowledge and doctrines. It wants you to stay close to your allies. Cover your team mates. Coordinate your fire. When your stratagems are exhausted and the team is falling apart it isn't because the primarys suck its because you guys are not playing as a team concentrating your fire and efficiently utilizing your primaries.

This is not to say some primaries need buffs. Just speaking about the overall implementation and the role that primaries have in this game.

Awful damage, on top of insane ammo consumption, is a terrible combination regardless of what the inherent game philosophy is intended to be.

[Mukasi]

Originally posted by C4NNED:

There are complaints about primary weapons being too weak.
This is partially by design because Hell Divers is a COOP horde shooter. But also inspired by the movies and even basic military knowledge and doctrines. It wants you to stay close to your allies. Cover your team mates. Coordinate your fire. When your stratagems are exhausted and the team is falling apart it isn't because the primarys suck its because you guys are not playing as a team concentrating your fire and efficiently utilizing your primaries.

This is not to say some primaries need buffs. Just speaking about the overall implementation and the role that primaries have in this game.

thanks.
i feel these words. i hate it when some random ass dude sprints towards the mission goals without giving a single fk about the others in his team, mostly even complaining why we even fight.
if you dont want to fight bugs in a bug game, play metal gear solid 5. this game is about having fun, not being through the mission in the least time possible

[Katitoff]

Originally posted by ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️:

Originally posted by Katitoff:

Go fight bots with shotguns.
Tell us how it went.

Amazing a little but of cover and peek shooting and we shred you see that big robot with double chainsaw? Gone split in half in 5 breaker shot and less from punisher normal robot? 1 shot punisher slug can literally rip a leg from that AT-RT looking ass robot next question

Great.
I can do the same from 150+ meters away with my rifle, before bots even notice my position.

[Myth Alric]

The shotgun are great for stuff in your face but most of the other guns are better for shooting stuff at range. A hunter can almost get into jumping range before you can accurately hit it with a shotgun, mean while other guns can pick them off long before they are a threat.