Balance is dumb, make everything unbalanced.

[Soup]

No one care about balance, we want fun. A balanced game is a boring game. It's PvE not a competitive shooter.

I want my auto cannon shots to be miniature nukes but send me and the boys flying if its within 15 feet.

I want my disposable AT to have a horrendously large back blast cone and rag doll enemies when it one taps them.

I want my liberator to have an endless magazine with auto seeking bullets.

I want the rail gun to one tap enemies and pin them to the ground/wall.

I want the breaker to have stupid high fire rate, range, and damage, with an absolutely stupid amount of shells.

[Aldain]

...How about they just remove everything and give everyone a dev gun that kills every enemy that is currently spawned every time it's fired, seriously would probably be easier.

[Nabbs1]

nah .. a dagger

[TheAceOfSpodes]

No, next troll post.

[Sedated]

I remember when Arrowhead did fun ♥♥♥♥. Like the Vietnam and warhammer 40k DLC in Magicka.

[⭐ General Whiskers ⭐]

Originally posted by Soup:

No one care about balance, we want fun. A balanced game is a boring game. It's PvE not a competitive shooter.

I want my auto cannon shots to be miniature nukes but send me and the boys flying if its within 15 feet.

I want my disposable AT to have a horrendously large back blast cone and rag doll enemies when it one taps them.

I want my liberator to have an endless magazine with auto seeking bullets.

I want the rail gun to one tap enemies and pin them to the ground/wall.

I want the breaker to have stupid high fire rate, range, and damage, with an absolutely stupid amount of shells.

Getting kicked because I'm not using X, Y and Z is stupid, and that is what was happening to a lot of people for not playing "meta". A game with flexible strategies is always going to be more fun in the long run due to the many methods of killing you have available.

[ImHelping]

Originally posted by EdibleChihuahua:

I remember when Arrowhead did fun ♥♥♥♥. Like the Vietnam and warhammer 40k DLC in Magicka.

"Some days, I just can't be bothered to type in the combo for a steam electric death beam. Thank goodness for guns"

[Sedated]

Originally posted by ⭐ General Whiskers ⭐:

Originally posted by Soup:

No one care about balance, we want fun. A balanced game is a boring game. It's PvE not a competitive shooter.

I want my auto cannon shots to be miniature nukes but send me and the boys flying if its within 15 feet.

I want my disposable AT to have a horrendously large back blast cone and rag doll enemies when it one taps them.

I want my liberator to have an endless magazine with auto seeking bullets.

I want the rail gun to one tap enemies and pin them to the ground/wall.

I want the breaker to have stupid high fire rate, range, and damage, with an absolutely stupid amount of shells.

Getting kicked because I'm not using X, Y and Z is stupid, and that is what was happening to a lot of people for not playing "meta". A game with flexible strategies is always going to be more fun in the long run due to the many methods of killing you have available.

That's one of those things that everyone says happens but rarely actually does.

League of Legends follows that philosophy of just changing the metas on purpose for "variety" and everyone still playing that crap despises it.

[Mr. Bix]

Originally posted by ⭐ General Whiskers ⭐:

Originally posted by Soup:

No one care about balance, we want fun. A balanced game is a boring game. It's PvE not a competitive shooter.

I want my auto cannon shots to be miniature nukes but send me and the boys flying if its within 15 feet.

I want my disposable AT to have a horrendously large back blast cone and rag doll enemies when it one taps them.

I want my liberator to have an endless magazine with auto seeking bullets.

I want the rail gun to one tap enemies and pin them to the ground/wall.

I want the breaker to have stupid high fire rate, range, and damage, with an absolutely stupid amount of shells.

Getting kicked because I'm not using X, Y and Z is stupid, and that is what was happening to a lot of people for not playing "meta". A game with flexible strategies is always going to be more fun in the long run due to the many methods of killing you have available.

fwiw, acknowledging this unicorn phenomenon at all, people weren't getting kicked because the railgun was too good

people were getting kicked because the rest of the AT options are so bad

[Eudicots]

Might as well just play a single player game and have god mode enabled.

[Sedated]

Originally posted by Eudicots:

Might as well just play a single player game and have god mode enabled.

Look at gameplay of Helldivers 1... Everything was broken and you still died A LOT.

[Silvarsson]

Originally posted by EdibleChihuahua:

Originally posted by ⭐ General Whiskers ⭐:

Getting kicked because I'm not using X, Y and Z is stupid, and that is what was happening to a lot of people for not playing "meta". A game with flexible strategies is always going to be more fun in the long run due to the many methods of killing you have available.

That's one of those things that everyone says happens but rarely actually does.

League of Legends follows that philosophy of just changing the metas on purpose for "variety" and everyone still playing that crap despises it.

Because it is a pvp game. Changing the meta force players in their research of domination to adapt.

Here, there is no leaderboard. It's for fun. But forcing a meta isn't fun, as you're forcing people to use things they may not want to.

[Mr. Bix]

Originally posted by EdibleChihuahua:

Originally posted by Eudicots:

Might as well just play a single player game and have god mode enabled.

Look at gameplay of Helldivers 1... Everything was broken and you still died A LOT.

yeah, people who say that all of your options have to be piss awful or else the game is trivialized clearly did not play hd1 or magicka for that matter

[Soup]

Originally posted by Aldain:

...How about they just remove everything and give everyone a dev gun that kills every enemy that is currently spawned every time it's fired, seriously would probably be easier.

Or the devs just make one or two guns/stratagems per update stupidly over powered. Then revert it and make some other random one's even more broken next update.

[Soup]

Originally posted by TheAceOfSpodes:

No, next troll post.

While admittedly it is a troll post, it has a point. It's a PvE game. Balance should not even be a consideration to the degree that it is currently. People play PvE games specifically to feel like a god because PvP games have been infested with sweats no one has the time or energy to deal with.

Balanced doesn't equal fun, and it never will. Not in a PVP game. Not in an PVE game. Horrible balance is one thing everyone looks forwards to on a new game launch.

[Mr. Bix]

Originally posted by Soup:

Originally posted by TheAceOfSpodes:

No, next troll post.

While admittedly it is a troll post, it has a point. It's a PvE game. Balance should not even be a consideration to the degree that it is currently. People play PvE games specifically to feel like a god because PvP games have been infested with sweats no one has the time or energy to deal with.

Balanced doesn't equal fun, and it never will. Not in a PVP game. Not in an PVE game. Horrible balance is one thing everyone looks forwards to on a new game launch.

i appreciate the spirit of what you're saying but it's not the universal truth you're presenting it as

look at any fighting game for example, look at may in ggst