Notes on Liberator Penetrator

[John Helldiver]

Alright so as with my post about the JAR-5 Dominator and the Hulk, I'm here to talk about the Liberator Penetrator an AP-Rifle with a lot to talk about.

Pros
-Good penetration
-Variable zoom scope
-Manageable recoil
-Decent rate of fire.
-Number of magazines (A whopping 10 mags!)

Cons
-Low damage profile
-Small magazine for damage profile 30 ammo/45 damage.
-Fire rates capped at Semi/3-round burst.

I've been taking this thing into the field for a minute and find that it's a generally acceptable all purpose rifle that has medium pen and can do some damage to the heavier bot infantry like the devastators and can even do some damage to chip at weak points on Hulks, turret towers, and tanks! Where it falls short is that the RoF tends to be disappointing when dealing with large waves of enemies.

The damage profile can pen and chip at the med/heavier enemies but unless you're scoring headshots and blowing up the head it just doesn't really feel like it cuts it half the time.

When comparing to my MP-98 Knight SMG which can burst a devastator head extremely quickly it feels a little outclassed by rate of fire and damage per round (Knight does 50dpr). When compared to the JAR-5 Dominator which can one-tap a devastator on headshot it outperforms it on rate of fire and accuracy/recoil but pales when comparing the damage output per magazine.

Liberator Penetrator 45dx30a = 1350 d/m
JAR-5 200dx15a = 3000 d/m (not including missed shots)
MP-98 Knight SMG 50dx50a = 2500 d/m

Now of course the CEO of Arrowhead Mr. Pilestedt has explained that every weapon has about 40+ stats most of which are hidden from us but just based on direct observations and use in the field I'm finding the Lib-Pen to bit just a little bit underwhelming when compared to the other two guns that I use.

Anyone who has something to add to this is welcome of course I'd love to hear some other takes on this topic.

[Ryzilynt]

I've just started taking this weapon into the field, so it's a bit early to made any definitive judgments.

Although I can say that i agree with your Pro/con list.

[Velimirius]

just tried it and im back to nerfed breaker, should have gave it a big boost, instead its really meh, more damage and bigger magazine for start.

[Katitoff]

Fun facta:
Light armor penetration does not mean 100% penetration, it means you do 40% of damage to that armor type instead of 0%.

Medium penetration weapon is all you need to kill a charger and all medium penetration weapons can kill a charger in a singular mag, this includes Penetrator.

Penetrator is not chaff clearing weapon, but it'll handle well everything non heavily armored.
It is noticably more efficient against devastator bots and commander bugs, it also allows easy head shot kills on bile spitters armored heads.

Low damage is fully compensated by its medium armor penetration perk.
It'll do worse vs unarmored enemies, like infantry bots and smaller bugs, but it'll be on pair or better against heavier targets.

At the end, it all comes down to diverse team setup with some people geared towards chaff and some towards med and heavy armor.

[Khloros]

My take on the topic.

You are all using a lot of words to simply say:
"The lib penetrator sucks and the Slugger does everything the lib penetrator was designed to do just better."

Really though, does not matter what hidden stats there are, its a dumpster weapon.

[Hawk]

I've fallen in love with it, though I wish I can figure out how to have the game save my fire mode selection. It's just what I like in a semi-auto fire armor-piercing DMR type rifle that's great against all but the biggest and meanest enemies out there.

It does suffer with crowds and "OH ♥♥♥♥" butt-puckering close-range moments, but with teammates it should not be a problem if they're anything better than cannonfodder.

[Delta Dagger]

I find the Penetrator to be a good pairing if you're taking an MG into the field with you. So, if you're taking a Spear, Railgun, or Autocannon? It's a non starter. But, if you're taking the LMG, Stalwart, or Grenade Launcher? It might be a good choice.

[Old Squidward]

I've been using it since before the patch and it's not all that bad really, 1 headshot to kill hunters and multiple scope settings is rather nice. Though I do wish it did a bit more damage since it takes pretty much a whole mag to kill a Bile Spewer with all headshots.

[poppindancers]

You can unleash an entire clip on a spewer in the head and it still wouldn't die.

This wasn't the case before the patch, they've simply buff the enemy by a large margin.

[Plagues]

It's fine under dif 6. Falls off hard after.

[UNN Fleet Admiral O'Reilly]

This title 😏

[Delta Dagger]

引用自 Plagues：

It's fine under dif 6. Falls off hard after.

It reaches a point where the DMRs might be a better choice. Maybe? I feel that with the spawn rates being as they are on those difficulties, that ROF is king.

[Plagues]

引用自 MiG-21bis Fishbed-L：

引用自 Plagues：

It's fine under dif 6. Falls off hard after.

It reaches a point where the DMRs might be a better choice. Maybe? I feel that with the spawn rates being as they are on those difficulties, that ROF is king.

IMO, DMRs are never worth it.

the punisher/slugger seem to be the best bet atm due to the stagger or med armor pen. the slugger is basically a DRM without the scope lol.

[rdkehoe]

引用自 Katitoff：

Fun facta:
Light armor penetration does not mean 100% penetration, it means you do 40% of damage to that armor type instead of 0%.

Medium penetration weapon is all you need to kill a charger and all medium penetration weapons can kill a charger in a singular mag, this includes Penetrator.

Penetrator is not chaff clearing weapon, but it'll handle well everything non heavily armored.
It is noticably more efficient against devastator bots and commander bugs, it also allows easy head shot kills on bile spitters armored heads.

Low damage is fully compensated by its medium armor penetration perk.
It'll do worse vs unarmored enemies, like infantry bots and smaller bugs, but it'll be on pair or better against heavier targets.

At the end, it all comes down to diverse team setup with some people geared towards chaff and some towards med and heavy armor.

Are we playing the same game? Liberator Penetrator just bounces off Chargers unless you destroy the armor first, which kind of defeats the purpose.

[Alkaline]

引用自 rdkehoe：

Are we playing the same game? Liberator Penetrator just bounces off Chargers unless you destroy the armor first, which kind of defeats the purpose.

I'm assuming he means hitting in in the rear. I think that is light armor, so the medium should do full damage, while light pen would still be reduced? Kind of guess on my end. Though. I just know it's not a ture weak point.

[Wutever]

引用自 Alkaline：

引用自 rdkehoe：

Are we playing the same game? Liberator Penetrator just bounces off Chargers unless you destroy the armor first, which kind of defeats the purpose.

I'm assuming he means hitting in in the rear. I think that is light armor, so the medium should do full damage, while light pen would still be reduced? Kind of guess on my end. Though. I just know it's not a ture weak point.

All damage to the squishy bits of Chargers and Titans is reduced by 90% unless it's explosive damage. Then it deals 100%. If there is damage mitigation for light penetration guns it doesn't really matter much.

引用自 MiG-21bis Fishbed-L：

引用自 Plagues：

It's fine under dif 6. Falls off hard after.

It reaches a point where the DMRs might be a better choice. Maybe? I feel that with the spawn rates being as they are on those difficulties, that ROF is king.

Firstly, enemy armor and HP do not scale with difficulty. Only the amount of enemies and the possible types of enemies change, along with there being more objective on the map etc. Not sure how there being more heavy armor makes the DMRs any better.

Secondly, DMRs are absolutely godawful no matter the difficulty outside of some niche scenarios like sniping Automaton emplacements. They have bad handling and, for some stupid reason, light penetration, meaning you're literally just better off with the starting Liberator in most cases.