Just got kicked out of the discord for Helldivers 2 over LGBT comment.

[CaliburxZero]

So someone started posting all the "dirt" on the LGBT stance of the devs, and I got kicked out because I questioned why this group of people need their flag everywhere and why should they get a flag put on as capes where nobody else will? The moment I posted that shortly after I was kicked out of the discord.

Not gonna lie, this censorship and LACK of democracy is getting old.

EDIT PS: The point I had tried to make as I have on reddit, is that if you give the cape to them you MUST give it to EVERYONE or NOBODY at ALL. Fair is fair. If I'm made to put up with seeing it, at least be FAIR to the other groups of people that are "underrepresented".
Either way, I'm sick of Politics of the left in everything. Just leave me alone and let me play my game and tune out from world crap.

Oh and as a final message to those who support this censorship to protect your fragile ideology to this I say one simple thing: Seethe more, and your hatred of DIVERSITY of THOUGHT only brings more awareness to the way you people think and act.

[Runic Tunic]

Originally posted by HyperRetroActive:

Originally posted by Moonlight Knight:

I really don't need to read beyond this because it just speaks for itself inasfar as being hilariously bad.

"Information I don't agree with is all corrupt."

okay.

But since I don't like to be dismissive, I'll address the rest of this post.

There have been examples of gender-nonconforming people all throughout history and in many different cultures. Whether they're what we would understand as "trans" is another story, but the idea that trans people just arrived out of the ether would only ring true to someone deeply incurious about history and the world beyond their back yard.

The idea that trans people have existed all through history in other cultures have been debunked. Just is not true. There are a few cultures that had a third gender and they were typically men having sex with other men. But no this is just a talking point. If you do the research it is not true. And regardless this completely ignores why we have not been seeing the suicide rates. Also why is it more common among the rich, why does it happen in friend groups for girls, why is it more common in broken homes? All these things show us it is not a natural path. It is an illness.

I've personally done the research. Been doing it for almost a decade. Citation needed on your claim it's all made up. Or are dozens of ancient beliefs and cultures just lying then? We've seen in it ancient Indian cultures and burial sites, Nordic Burial sites, Middle East, Ancient Britain, China and other parts of Asia. Not to mention the OVERWHELMING evidence of LGBTQ existing in animals for a LOOONG time now.

And I DO see the suicide rates. I can't tell you how many friends, colleagues, and clients I've seen suffer. And I've sat with, read, and worked on many studies with the same conclusions. Or are the thousands of reports across the world by thousands of different people with different beliefs all ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ too?

Sounds more like you just refuse to believe it, not that it's made up like you claim.

[DrLamp]

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

Originally posted by DrLamp:

Yeah, but that's something that you can let a judge decide. You don't take it upon yourself to dispense justice by punching them. Then you're the one in the wrong and they'll probably walk away.

Not if I reasonably believe my life is in danger. And the people who say that kind of stuff are the ones most likely to brandish a firearm or some other sort of weapon, which is a clear threat.

You're adding embellishment to the story that was not there before. You have to take it at face value.

The place I was standing from was this...
Guy1 runs off at the mouth and is behaving in a manner inconsistant with what is generally accepted as civilized.
Guy2 decides to punch him in the face ACTUALLY assaulting guy1, an act that is also uncivilized.

There was no mention of guns or any direct threat. Just one guy running off at the mouth and another guy losing his cool over it.

If Guy2 actually felt threatened then, in the case of no imminent threat to life (which was not indicated in the example), guy2 should withdraw and contact the authorities. The authorities can then investigate further and take appropriate action in accordance with LAW.

[Za'Muro]

i hate this protected by everyone mentally ill group

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by DrLamp:

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

Not if I reasonably believe my life is in danger. And the people who say that kind of stuff are the ones most likely to brandish a firearm or some other sort of weapon, which is a clear threat.

You're adding embellishment to the story that was not there before. You have to take it at face value.

The place I was standing from was this...
Guy1 runs off at the mouth and is behaving in a manner inconsistant with what is generally accepted as civilized.
Guy2 decides to punch him in the face ACTUALLY assaulting guy1, an act that is also uncivilized.

There was no mention of guns or any direct threat. Just one guy running off at the mouth and another guy losing his cool over it.

If Guy2 actually felt threatened then, in the case of no imminent threat to life (which was not indicated in the example), guy2 should withdraw and contact the authorities. The authorities can then investigate further and take appropriate action in accordance with LAW.

Fun fact: the law varies from state to state (and I use that in the general sense of "state", not just a subdivision of the US). Also, saying you think someone should be murdered isn't just "behaving in a manner inconsistant (sic) with what is generally accepted as civilized". There's a big difference between being rude and saying someone should be murdered.

Originally posted by Za'Muro:

i hate this protected by everyone mentally ill group

Yeah, I don't like how people treat mentally ill right-wingers with kid gloves. We have people claiming Jewish Space Lasers are a thing and they get elected instead of being put in a mental asylum, FFS.

[Rabid Urko]

Its the far left that are the danger, but thats my 2p on it.

[Moonlight Knight]

Originally posted by HyperRetroActive:

The idea that trans people have existed all through history in other cultures have been debunked. Just is not true. There are a few cultures that had a third gender and they were typically men having sex with other men. But no this is just a talking point. If you do the research it is not true. And regardless this completely ignores why we have not been seeing the suicide rates. Also why is it more common among the rich, why does it happen in friend groups for girls, why is it more common in broken homes? All these things show us it is not a natural path. It is an illness.

I've yet to see it "debunked," unless by "debunked" you mean "argued against" - debunked typically implies it was actually disproven and not just that someone didn't agree with the implication. And no, according to translations we have, many of these people lived AS the other sex, and were acknowledged AS the other sex.

If you think that this is happening primarily among the rich, you aren't really paying attention. The rest of that stuff, I'm just going to ignore outright because it actually doesn't demonstrate being "unnatural" at all.

It's also really interesting you don't seem to think the social stigma against being trans has ANYTHING to do with the suicide rates, especially since we know that with a solid support structure, said rates drop off dramatically.

Originally posted by Patriot03:

Hold on, that's an unfair insinuation on your part.

Funny the guys on the side of the aisle that constantly cry that they're called fascist for disagreeing with people suddenly want to discuss nuance, but sure.

Originally posted by Patriot03:

The problem with Academia being "captured" by what I call "the cult" is well documented and decried by academics themselves. Especially on this topic. Despite that, we have studies which show 90-95% desistance rates among young people who experience gender dysphoria and that is rather serious.

Doesn't seem that well documented to me. Which academics, by the way? Because conflict of interest IS a problem to be wary of.

Also, if what you're saying is true, the obvious path forward would not be to ban all gender affirming care, but to give children room to safely explore their options and what they want without judgement, IF the issue even comes up.

Originally posted by Patriot03:

Promoting desistance and acceptance of one's self is the rather obvious path to save the most lives in terms of reducing suicide figures, it's what I believe to be right and I believe the alternative is hurting people and doing untold harm to so many.

You can believe whatever you want, but that doesn't make it true.

Originally posted by Patriot03:

I would say historically, most of these people went on to live regular lives, however that does leave the remaining 5%, and I certainly don't think they should be mistreated in anyway.

You say that, but the consequences of your beliefs would still cause harm.

[Cits]

Originally posted by Rabid Urko:

Its the far left that are the danger, but thats my 2p on it.

Nah, its authoritarians you should worry about. Right or left will both oppress as it suits them.

[Kinote]

Originally posted by Korrex:

From what I understand, they're booting everybody who discusses anything remotely political, regardless of side.

If that is the case then I'm fine with it.

^

That's what I've heard as well.

There is only Super Earth and the glory of Democracy here. Keep your regular Earth politics at home, it doesn't matter which side you're on.

[r3ach5stars1]

Originally posted by Runic Tunic:

Originally posted by r3ach5stars1:

I know where the plot goes in the game, but that is not important here. What matters is the double standards on political views. Meanwhile, in the game, it mostly presents a right-wing mentality, whereas in the forum, it goes in the opposite direction. Every game or movie has a plot twist about a good guy turning evil; that's nothing new.

The real question here is: Are you too weak to follow where the world's fashion is headed? What will happen when the current trend of wokeness changes? Tomorrow, we don't know, but it certainly won't always be the same. I don't like how the mod promotes a right-wing vision of the game, while the forum trends in the opposite direction, pushing a woke agenda

so....you don't know what satire is then? Because I'm pretty sure the mods aren't supporting right or left wing, since they're banning everyone who brings up politics.

And the game itself actively criticizes Fascist ideals (right-wing ideology) by satirizing it, thus matching the commuities more progressive swing. Or do you think people wouldn't flock to a game that makes fun of their personal political opposite?

You're attempting ad hominem fallacy, but it won't work here.

It's true they claim to stand against both sides of politics, so why didn't they ban posts discussing the LGBT flag? To truly be neutral, they must censor both sides, not just one-sided opinions.

Let's imagine it was an LGBT game where the moderator banned LGBT ideology, siding with the right. How would you feel about the same double standard we have here? The game is politically one-sided, while the moderator is mentally left-leaning. It's disappointing not only to say the moderator must be banned, but also replaced by someone impartial to the developer's vision of the game. It's contradictory to have a moderator supporting an ideology that the game itself doesn't promote in the first place

[ANCsemi]

Originally posted by Moonlight Knight:

You say that, but the consequences of your beliefs would still cause harm.

Typical lefty. "My violence is speech, and your speech is violence!"

[Alucard]

Originally posted by Rizzputin:

You aren't being censored. A privately owned company is not allowing you to spread your hate speech in their area or game, that is allowed. The government isn't stopping you from being a bigot.

To be accurate, their is a difference between hate speech that is said with malicious intent, and speech that you personally hate.....

[Moonlight Knight]

Originally posted by r3ach5stars1:

It's true they claim to stand against both sides of politics, so why didn't they ban posts discussing the LGBT flag? To truly be neutral, they must censor both sides, not just one-sided opinions.

Being gay or lesbian or bi or trans should not be a political issue. Let people ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ be who they are, openly, without shame. Why is this such a difficult thing to understand?

[Moonlight Knight]

Originally posted by ANCsemi:

Originally posted by Moonlight Knight:

You say that, but the consequences of your beliefs would still cause harm.

Typical lefty. "My violence is speech, and your speech is violence!"

I'm not talking about speech, I'm talking about what would happen if we enacted the policies he's suggesting.

But go off, king. I know you guys love nuance. /s

[DrLamp]

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

Originally posted by DrLamp:

You're adding embellishment to the story that was not there before. You have to take it at face value.

The place I was standing from was this...
Guy1 runs off at the mouth and is behaving in a manner inconsistant with what is generally accepted as civilized.
Guy2 decides to punch him in the face ACTUALLY assaulting guy1, an act that is also uncivilized.

There was no mention of guns or any direct threat. Just one guy running off at the mouth and another guy losing his cool over it.

If Guy2 actually felt threatened then, in the case of no imminent threat to life (which was not indicated in the example), guy2 should withdraw and contact the authorities. The authorities can then investigate further and take appropriate action in accordance with LAW.

Fun fact: the law varies from state to state (and I use that in the general sense of "state", not just a subdivision of the US). Also, saying you think someone should be murdered isn't just "behaving in a manner inconsistant (sic) with what is generally accepted as civilized". There's a big difference between being rude and saying someone should be murdered.

Originally posted by Za'Muro:

i hate this protected by everyone mentally ill group

Yeah, I don't like how people treat mentally ill right-wingers with kid gloves. We have people claiming Jewish Space Lasers are a thing and they get elected instead of being put in a mental asylum, FFS.

Saying someone should be murdered is also not the same as threatening murder. Lets just put this to bed. Fact is, if the events originally presented occured in front of a police officer, guy2 would be in handcuffs.

[Bad Brad]

The LGBT community are the new fascists