The reactions to the balance patch are incongruent to the patch itself.

[Glurb]

I get it, people are frustrated, and there need to be more ways to deal with chargers/titans, but why are we acting like the game is done and dead? Why are we being asses to the developers? Just lower the difficulty for now and run away more often. I really don't think it's as bad as people think it is. There are people calling for a boycott for the railgun nerf. I get it, armor piercing is not as easy to do anymore, and it can feel difficult to overcome lots of chargers/titans, but just lower the difficulty for now. I also get why the devs are taking this appraoch after reading this mornings announcement. You aren't supposed to be able to easily clear Helldive missions. If you can't clear T9 missions again, go play T8. I don't get it. People are acting like they've been stabbed in the back and betrayed by this, but it's ultimately a temporary change in an ever-shifting game. The game isn't unplayable. Play on the highest difficulty that feels fun, you don't ALWAYS have to max out the difficulty.

[Plagen]

I run Breaker, Shield, Arc Thrower, Precision Orbital, and Orbital Railcannon. I can handle Helldive easily. I just don't screw around and mess with enemies I don't need to.

I think the problem people have is that they are seriously trying to kill EVERYTHING they see.

[rdkehoe]

Originally posted by Plorg:

I get it, people are frustrated, and there need to be more ways to deal with chargers/titans, but why are we acting like the game is done and dead? Why are we being asses to the developers? Just lower the difficulty for now and run away more often. I really don't think it's as bad as people think it is. There are people calling for a boycott for the railgun nerf. I get it, armor piercing is not as easy to do anymore, and it can feel difficult to overcome lots of chargers/titans, but just lower the difficulty for now. I also get why the devs are taking this appraoch after reading this mornings announcement. You aren't supposed to be able to easily clear Helldive missions. If you can't clear T9 missions again, go play T8. I don't get it. People are acting like they've been stabbed in the back and betrayed by this, but it's ultimately a temporary change in an ever-shifting game. The game isn't unplayable. Play on the highest difficulty that feels fun, you don't ALWAYS have to max out the difficulty.

It's almost like the devs didn't playtest anything past difficulty 5 if they weren't expecting us to clear Helldive. It's not an MMO, it's a 1-4 player co-op. Shouldn't take a year to clear hardest difficulty anyway.

[Glurb]

Originally posted by Plagen:

I run Breaker, Shield, Arc Thrower, Precision Orbital, and Orbital Railcannon. I can handle Helldive easily. I just don't screw around and mess with enemies I don't need to.

I think the problem people have is that they are seriously trying to kill EVERYTHING they see.

I see people doing that a lot. Sometimes the best strategy is to run far and run fast. I don't understand why people seem to think they should be able to wipe out the massive number of enemies they have on higher difficulties. You are a squad of 4 going against thousands of enemies. You aren't supposed to be able to win every situation like that.

[H.R. Puff n' such]

Because you are forced to play on higher difficulties to get rarer samples. Congrats you are in the top % of good players. Balancing games around the wants your kind is one of the worst trends in online gaming

[Glurb]

Originally posted by H.R. Puff n' such:

Because you are forced to play on higher difficulties to get rarer samples. Congrats you are in the top % of good players. Balancing games around the wants your kind is one of the worst trends in online gaming

There are a lot of players right now who seem to think they can only run Helldive (Tier 9). I was mainly speaking on them going from T9 to T8, or T7. I don't think the changes have been significant enough to make T7 much more difficult than it was.

[Glurb]

Originally posted by rdkehoe:

Originally posted by Plorg:

I get it, people are frustrated, and there need to be more ways to deal with chargers/titans, but why are we acting like the game is done and dead? Why are we being asses to the developers? Just lower the difficulty for now and run away more often. I really don't think it's as bad as people think it is. There are people calling for a boycott for the railgun nerf. I get it, armor piercing is not as easy to do anymore, and it can feel difficult to overcome lots of chargers/titans, but just lower the difficulty for now. I also get why the devs are taking this appraoch after reading this mornings announcement. You aren't supposed to be able to easily clear Helldive missions. If you can't clear T9 missions again, go play T8. I don't get it. People are acting like they've been stabbed in the back and betrayed by this, but it's ultimately a temporary change in an ever-shifting game. The game isn't unplayable. Play on the highest difficulty that feels fun, you don't ALWAYS have to max out the difficulty.

It's almost like the devs didn't playtest anything past difficulty 5 if they weren't expecting us to clear Helldive. It's not an MMO, it's a 1-4 player co-op. Shouldn't take a year to clear hardest difficulty anyway.

They were expecting us to clear Helldive, but Helldive still wasn't really that bad if you had the equipment. It didn't feel like the grueling challenge it should've been. Maybe it's harder now than it should be, I won't deny that, I haven't tried it, but a lot of people are complaining that Helldive is unplayable, and I'm saying that they should just move down to T8 or T7. I never want to be the guy that says "skill issue", but unless you're playing solo (which I understand is the playstyle for some but is not at all what this game is and should be based and balanced around. This is something every solo player should have known when purchasing a co-op game.), T6/7 shouldn't be that bad. I played T8 last night and it was just fine.

[skm4tic]

My biggest gripe is that they decided to nerf the only viable options for solo players without bug abusing.
That aside, it's not even the issue with this patch. If it was JUST the nerfs stated in the patch notes, helldive would still be fun.

They also stealth nerfed:
Player armor
Shield HP

Basically, they turned players from paper towels into tissue paper, unless you wear heavy armor, then you're more like printer paper, but also good luck getting away from the swarm.

[Rager]

Because the fun part of this game is killing and blowing things up.

Hell Dive should be more stuff to blow up, instead now it is. Don't fight this, or kite this away from the objective!


It is boring, tedious, and takes away from the game overall. And that is why it is losing players, and will keep bleeding it because these developers don't understand what makes this game fun it seems.

[Zerotheliger]

Originally posted by H.R. Puff n' such:

Because you are forced to play on higher difficulties to get rarer samples. Congrats you are in the top % of good players. Balancing games around the wants your kind is one of the worst trends in online gaming

get good? not the game for you? this is why a little bit of gatekeeping is good cause the entitled cod players who want everything handed to them suddenly try to kill a good difficult game cause they cant get their way. literally not much has changed and yall flip that you cant steam roll a game anymore.

[Glurb]

Originally posted by skm4tic:

My biggest gripe is that they decided to nerf the only viable options for solo players without bug abusing.
That aside, it's not even the issue with this patch. If it was JUST the nerfs stated in the patch notes, helldive would still be fun.

They also stealth nerfed:
Player armor
Shield HP

Basically, they turned players from paper towels into tissue paper, unless you wear heavy armor, then you're more like printer paper, but also good luck getting away from the swarm.

That's a valid gripe. To be fair, this game was never built for solo. BUT, it's also a popular playstyle and should be at least somewhat viable on somewhat higher difficulties. Unfortunately I think solo's are going to naturally catch strays with these patches because the game can't (and shouldn't be) balanced around them.

I was unaware of the other stuff, that is unfortunate.

[Zerotheliger]

Originally posted by skm4tic:

My biggest gripe is that they decided to nerf the only viable options for solo players without bug abusing.
That aside, it's not even the issue with this patch. If it was JUST the nerfs stated in the patch notes, helldive would still be fun.

They also stealth nerfed:
Player armor
Shield HP

Basically, they turned players from paper towels into tissue paper, unless you wear heavy armor, then you're more like printer paper, but also good luck getting away from the swarm.

game was not ment to be solo yall could have researched this before buying the game the previous games fans loved the high difficulty. remember back in the day games hardest difficulties used to be difficult. gonna have to rely on team mates and strategies to beat impossible missions ment to be impossible to beat. theres a reason the upgrades only require at best 5 to 20 of the rarest resource.

[Grαεy Rebis]

It's genuinely the case of Steam Forum being Steam Forums and having the loudest and most obnoxious people in a community.

People ask the developers on here for better in-game moderation options because of how there's a lot of hosts just kicking entire teams from lobbies just before extraction comes in and everyone's response on here is "Lol. Git Gud. Skill Issue. You're lying and it's actually your fault. There'll be people abusing the system in a different ways. Host your own lobby if you don't wanna get kicked so badly."

But they nerf 2 guns ever so slightly and these same people have a meltdown and say the game is unplayable even though 1) Railgun nerfs only apply to Safe Mode and 2) They buffed a ♥♥♥♥ ton of other stuff including making the Flamethrower able to melt Chargers.

[Glurb]

Originally posted by Rager:

Because the fun part of this game is killing and blowing things up.

Hell Dive should be more stuff to blow up, instead now it is. Don't fight this, or kite this away from the objective!


It is boring, tedious, and takes away from the game overall. And that is why it is losing players, and will keep bleeding it because these developers don't understand what makes this game fun it seems.

I mean, I guess so. Honestly, that's an incredibly fair and understandable opinion, but I don't think it ruins the game. I'd just play on T8 where I can do the blowing up easier.

[HEADSHOT676]

If anything this patch solves people 1 manning super hard levels

[Khaos Makes War]

the real reason we are being asses to the devs is were all getting ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over in real life, so we find a game we really like playing, with the previous state of the game, now were getting ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over in a game we like to play, so that may be the reason were being asses to some company that's mission was basically to let the player feel like a bad ass space marine now we dont feel bad ass anymore so excuse the rest of us that wanted something as fun as it used to be and not be forced to pander to bad ♥♥♥♥♥♥ decisions