So the dev's think the R-63CS Diligence Counter Sniper is ok?

[=SWF= Spartan0536]

Really Arrowhead? Have you looked at the fact that NO ONE uses that POS primary? It has WORSE handling than the Anti-Material rifle, with less damage, less range, no medium armor pen, less ammo than the R-63 Diligence, more recoil, and more sway than the Anti-Material Sniper Rifle.

It's literally the only "F-Tier" primary in the game, it's truly hot nuclear waste, not just garbage but hot nuclear waste as it is more likely to get you killed than just be useless.

I would understand the underlying values if the damage was set to 200 with medium armor pen, but as it stands it's just a terrible option that was in sore need of a buff.

[Katitoff]

Let me guess, you are one of these players, who never found out there is automaton side of the conflict?

I'm using it against bots, together with AM rifle, on 7+.
It works perfectly good.

LEARN IT ALREADY, THERE ARE NOT ONLY BUGS AS OPPONENTS HERE

[ImHelping]

Devs literally said primary weapons are supposed to suck, so yeah... stick with the basic marksman. It is more accurate in 3rd person than the counter sniper is at max zoom what the ♥♥♥♥.

Might be a waste of time vs bug spam, but a good time on bots.

Originally posted by Katitoff:

Let me guess, you are one of these players, who never found out there is automaton side of the conflict?

I'm using it against bots, together with AM rifle, on 7+.
It works perfectly good.

LEARN IT ALREADY, THERE ARE NOT ONLY BUGS AS OPPONENTS HERE

Even as a "These guys are better vs bots" team member, counter sniper is trash deflecting off of robots skulls right in the middle of the max zoom crosshair. Shots you could actually make no problem with the basic marksman.

Stop making me ashamed to point out more guns are better vs bots with your nonsense. counter sniper is actual garbage unless you think using bad guns on purpose "owns the meta slaves"

[=SWF= Spartan0536]

Originally posted by Katitoff:

Let me guess, you are one of these players, who never found out there is automaton side of the conflict?

I'm using it against bots, together with AM rifle, on 7+.
It works perfectly good.

LEARN IT ALREADY, THERE ARE NOT ONLY BUGS AS OPPONENTS HERE

Nope I use the JAR-5 Dominator against the tin cans, it works quite well.

[zmanbuilder]

Originally posted by Katitoff:

Let me guess, you are one of these players, who never found out there is automaton side of the conflict?

I'm using it against bots, together with AM rifle, on 7+.
It works perfectly good.

LEARN IT ALREADY, THERE ARE NOT ONLY BUGS AS OPPONENTS HERE

Double dipping on the range options? i think the machine gun pairs well with the counter sniper myself.

[Lusid]

The devs seem to want the primary weapons to suck, but that sentiment doesn't seem to be shared with the player base.

[ItzPress]

There was a thread on this before, https://steamcommunity.com/app/553850/discussions/0/4302697906485424408/
It's not quite that bad when you know what design space it's going for but it needs a bit more going for it. It's supposed to be a bit more focusing into a ranged role as compared to the regular, but could still use some buffs. Seeing as how there's plausibility of getting a medium-armor-penetration rifle later, maybe the solution for this is to just lower heft and raise damage a tad.

[Nihil]

Man that gun is the most trash of all. And i'm kinda surprised how they didn't touch it.

[Katitoff]

Originally posted by zmanbuilder:

Originally posted by Katitoff:

Let me guess, you are one of these players, who never found out there is automaton side of the conflict?

I'm using it against bots, together with AM rifle, on 7+.
It works perfectly good.

LEARN IT ALREADY, THERE ARE NOT ONLY BUGS AS OPPONENTS HERE

Double dipping on the range options? i think the machine gun pairs well with the counter sniper myself.

I double dip, because I play in a team with voice comms, I'm picking out critical threats and clearing explorable POIs from range while they deal with heavy stuff in front.