The LAS-7 Dagger is low-key good

[Sparkles]

It's a pistol sidearm with infinite firing capabilities, stop acting like it needs to outperform a dam AR-23P Liberator Penetrator or ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Railgun.

[capybaras are cool]

it sucks compared to the redeemer which is what everyone is already using.

[Anarchy]

Originally posted by capybaras are cool:

it sucks compared to the redeemer which is what everyone is already using.

Redeemer is boring
I've gone back to the peacemaker

We are not the same.

Real talk I do think the beam weapons need a passover and a readjustment for how their DPS is dished out.

[ImHelping]

When you pull out a pistol to kill something already on top of you with no time to reload your primary (or using a scorcher would kill yourself)?

If whining at the enemy "I'm not a META SLAVE!" made them let me escape out of pity, then the beam pistol would have a use.

Originally posted by capybaras are cool:

it sucks compared to the redeemer which is what everyone is already using.

It sucks compared to the default starter pistol.

Plus, heat sinks are not "Infinite", especially not in a "Keep shooting or die" situation which is the top case of pulling out a pistol.

[BaneofMills]

Ive been using it too. The infinite ammo potential on a backup weapon is too much to pass up. And never having to reload is great if youre switching weapons alot. I def think it needs a slight heat capacity boost though. Maybe 15%

[capybaras are cool]

Originally posted by Anarchy:

Originally posted by capybaras are cool:

it sucks compared to the redeemer which is what everyone is already using.

Redeemer is boring
I've gone back to the peacemaker

We are not the same.

Real talk I do think the beam weapons need a passover and a readjustment for how their DPS is dished out.

ok

[Carcat]

Originally posted by ↓↑←↓↑→↓↑:

It's a pistol sidearm with infinite firing capabilities, stop acting like it needs to outperform a dam AR-23P Liberator Penetrator or ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Railgun.

yeah its pretty ok. not my speed personally, but thats just because of the builds i like to run. maybe a slight crit spot damage increase could be cool? idk if it even needs that tho. like you said, infinite ammo sidearm is pretty much always good

[Hand's Hermit Permit]

Dagger is awful. Redeemer is way too good to ever replace.

I could see an argument for it if all we had was the base pistol and that awful senator revolver, because at least it's infinite ammo and doesn't make me hate the game when I reload it for 6 seconds straight, but the Redeemer does so much damage so fast It's like a second pocket liberator. If I get ambushed by a stalker, I just whip it out and shoulder fire it while i run away. It takes the whole clip and either dies or gets so damaged it runs away. Redeemer is insane.

I tried dagger, and the damage was so bad I decided reloading the primary was a better use of my time than ever trying to use it.

[kknd]

Originally posted by ↓↑←↓↑→↓↑:

It's a pistol sidearm with infinite firing capabilities, stop acting like it needs to outperform a dam AR-23P Liberator Penetrator or ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Railgun.

See, if the Dagger could literally never stop firing? I'd consider it. But because it runs on heatsinks that are too damn small, I won't use it. Setting aside the Redeemer's existance for the moment, the Senator at least has a job it does well (punching through medium armor) if you wanted an extended mag pistol, set Redeemer to semi-auto.

I might run the Dagger if only for infinite firing, if that was how it worked.

[Porkwhitemeat]

It can barely kill a roach without needing to reload/stop firing to CD. It sucks ass compared to every other side arm comparing it to the liberator like you just did is just plain dumb.

[shadain597]

The problem with the energy weapons is that "infinite" firing seems to be paired with low DPS. Generally speaking, outside of the lower difficulties, your secondary is there to quickly pick off the trash enemies nipping at your heels so that you can swap back to the primary/support, reload, and eliminate targets. Notice how ammo efficiency isn't a high priority for the secondaries?

Don't get me wrong, I want to like the Scythe, Dagger, and cannon, but the devs haven't made it easy. . . At least vs bugs? I haven't gotten that much playtime with those toys on bots.

Originally posted by Anarchy:

Originally posted by capybaras are cool:

it sucks compared to the redeemer which is what everyone is already using.

Redeemer is boring
I've gone back to the peacemaker

I guess Redeemer is boring, but it's also a straight upgrade from the Peacemaker, so I use the upgrade. I'm looking forward to getting more weapon options, especially for secondaries.

[rascotheG]

I think its essential for one squad member to bring it on the bot maps to clear out the mines. super easy to swing around the beam and clear out a whole area, and with no ammo consumed!

[IICEE]

This dog water gun took a good few second to kill something, that not really a good side-arm it not even average one it just awful.

When you pull secondary it more of a oh ♥♥♥♥ moment, but this thing that shoot dog piss won't save you in that moment.

[Anarchy]

Originally posted by Hand's Hermit Permit:

Dagger is awful. Redeemer is way too good to ever replace.

I could see an argument for it if all we had was the base pistol and that awful senator revolver, because at least it's infinite ammo and doesn't make me hate the game when I reload it for 6 seconds straight, but the Redeemer does so much damage so fast It's like a second pocket liberator. If I get ambushed by a stalker, I just whip it out and shoulder fire it while i run away. It takes the whole clip and either dies or gets so damaged it runs away. Redeemer is insane.

I tried dagger, and the damage was so bad I decided reloading the primary was a better use of my time than ever trying to use it.

Senator's bad?
Sounds like user issue
(They need to make aiming it cancel the reload, though.)

Originally posted by shadain597:

Originally posted by Anarchy:

Redeemer is boring
I've gone back to the peacemaker

I guess Redeemer is boring, but it's also a straight upgrade from the Peacemaker, so I use the upgrade. I'm looking forward to getting more weapon options, especially for secondaries.

True!
A lot of these things weren't thought out but I'm not really surprised a Swedish game dev knows 0 about guns and made a bullpup with a longer barrel do less damage than one with a shorter barrel.

[VIRUSOID]

It's good for cosplaying laser trooper with sickle, las cannon and dagger
Just for fun

[Chaos]

Bruh, I won't mind the ♥♥♥♥ heatsink if it can actually save my ass when I need it.
(aka. when you pull out the sidearm in the first place)
But it can't do ♥♥♥♥ with that dps.