wasd "minigame" is a bad mechanic I belive :(

[Schakar]

I can understand, that it might introduce a bit more active gameplay and alteration for actions like consoles. But overall it's more of a "learn to type blind with 3-4 fingers" then a real addtion to the game in my eyes.

For people who are slow-typers (any non-IT or buro job person) it's more frustration then fun :(. Want to recall a dead friend? Or supplay? Or throw an air-strike? Just not posible if you are not hardcore used to type blind!
PS: this would for example include my hole family and perants :/. As non of them can keyboard type with more then 2 fingers as they just never needed to in their jobs.

And yes. I strongly belive many MANY players will simply macro this WASD stuff. Either via software or drivers (most keyboard / mouse drivers have such simple key-macros today). And in this case I can't even judge them as I understand it soooo much :(.

Why not simple and fast 1-key options or a console-like wheel?

EDIT: Short explanation
I have dyslexia. A read-write-handicap I am born with compareble to color-blindness.
Moving with WASD is a "muscle brain" activity. I do not have to activly think about it. It just works blind.
The minigame is no "muscle brain" activity. I have to activly read, understand (compute), think about and then translate to my fingers with my eyes on the keys.

I am born with this handycap and it is no "l2p skill issue"!

EDIT2: and before someone asks ... I had ~7 years of spezial writing training 4 days/week 3 hours each time. That's why I can somewhat fast write without (I HOPE) to to many errors :). And this in a language wich is not my native language!
What did you do when you where 7-14 years old after your normal school?

@Steam ... please remove/refound ALL "comunity awards". I do not want them! Non of them!

[Huey]

Originally posted by pi73r:

I'm sorry if you actually got issues but it's like a person with 1 leg would ask to ban using the 2nd leg in football matches.

Yes exactly.

[BBSon John]

Originally posted by brownie689:

Originally posted by Schakar:

As an old school PC player I have a keyboard and a mouse. It's nice that console players have an easy-mode (they are handicaped enough with their bad aim *g*).

So why no wheel in the PC version?

I play on PC and use a controller because I like to be able to sprint while calling in stratagems, and I can still aim very well on a controller and headshot every enemy.

I rebind the minigame to arrow keys. Then I can just run and type in stratagems at the same time with mouse and keyboard.

[Green Mohawk Derg]

This is meant to be stressful and easy to screw up, FOCUS SOLDIER

[Randych]

You can remap them to arrows.

[junimai233]

I mean there is stratagems that's very easy to input. (orbital airburst is literally 3 rights, AP minefield is making a circle, and orbital gatling is making a quarter circle plus an extra up)
You can just use that.

[Schakar]

Originally posted by Ōkuma:

Asking them to remove an entire game mechanic for the sake of your handicap is pretty selfish. Sorry you have to deal with this, but you can't expect the entire world to make itself accessible to you. Nobody is that special.

You might have missunderstod me. I do not "demand" or "request" a fundamental change to the mechanic.

I try to be constructive to make the game better for more people (I don't seam to be alone).
But I still just speak for my own!!! Not for a group. I talk about my very own personal problem with this mechanic!!!
I am not in any form SBI-like ;).

Many of you suggested I shell remap the keys to the arrow keys. That's acctual a good tip :).
But then I ask: if so many of you do this remap ... wouldn't it be smart to default this remap or at last tell people about the posibility in the training scenario?
Or how about default map BOTH (WASD and the arrow keys) to the same funktion? And of course tell people about this in the training scenario :).

This would NOT fundamental change the mechanic but might be helpy (while not fully remove the problem but yea, nothing is perfect).
Oh and one more maybe-improvement: highlight the arrows ingame. Bold them or make them 2 pixel bigger then the rest of the text with a tiny bit more spacing then normal text. At last to me this would allready be a BIG improvment :).

I must admit that I didn't thought about this option at first (shame on me). But normaly I never change any key-bindings but use the defaults. Except for Y-Z as I use a german keyboard where they are switched.

The VoiceAttack is a cool tool. But ... VoiceChat + VoiceAttack == we can't play anymore as everyone lays under his desk from laughing ^^.

[Sk[A]rMo'Ry2012]

Originally posted by junimai233:

I mean there is stratagems that's very easy to input. (orbital airburst is literally 3 rights, AP minefield is making a circle, and orbital gatling is making a quarter circle plus an extra up)
You can just use that.

EAT is bassically DownDown FAST MASH RIGHT TO LEFT. Dont think any macro can do better

[Game kNight Plays]

Originally posted by Schakar:

Originally posted by Ōkuma:

Asking them to remove an entire game mechanic for the sake of your handicap is pretty selfish. Sorry you have to deal with this, but you can't expect the entire world to make itself accessible to you. Nobody is that special.

You might have missunderstod me. I do not "demand" or "request" a fundamental change to the mechanic.

I try to be constructive to make the game better for more people (I don't seam to be alone).

Many of you suggested I shell remap the keys to the arrow keys. That's acctual a good tip :).
But then I ask: if so many of you do this remap ... wouldn't it be smart to default this remap or at last tell people about the posibility in the training scenario?
Or how about default map BOTH (WASD and the arrow keys) to the same funktion? And of course tell people about this in the training scenario :).

This would NOT fundamental change the mechanic but might be helpy (while not fully remove the problem but yea, nothing is perfect).
Oh and one more maybe-improvement: highlight the arrows ingame. Bold them or make them 2 pixel bigger then the rest of the text with a tiny bit more spacing then normal text. At last to me this would allready be a BIG improvment :).

I must admit that I didn't thought about this option at first (shame on me). But normaly I never change any key-bindings but use the defaults. Except for Y-Z as I use a german keyboard where they are switched.

The VoiceAttack is a cool tool. But ... VoiceChat + VoiceAttack == we can't play anymore as everyone lays under his desk from laughing ^^.

I use my stream deck to trigger stratagems - you can get the same for your phone for free.
Works wonders and makes the game more enjoyable for me :)

One button press keys for you to use would make it a lot easier.

This guy made the whole thing easy to import into Stream Deck, dunno if it works with the phone versions you can get, but you can get the rough idea of it here along with icons and stuff;

https://marketplace.elgato.com/product/helldivers-2-stratagem-0c648333-25a0-403f-9894-22c5f6b1ff89

Don't expect them to change the games default, as that is how it is - WASD is fine for some, keys for others, some use other combinations :) At least we can change the keys :D

[Zoopshab]

Well it's lost it's meaning with time. Their first game Magicka is fit right in. They iterated on that will HD1... and that works but not as good as magicka. You needed to memorize only the artillery calldowns and revive. Like you never rrally needed to know it by heart for your 1 time calldown of a support weapon or vehicle. So it was loosing traction there.

Under pressure activating an objective it was working good.

It work best when the player has to do it under pressure. Because of the damage flinch mechanic its undermined for objectives a lot here. Also I notice they've stepped away from it a bit on objectives with other puzzles.

[C4NNED]

It's a core part of the game and it is good game design because it is a balance and pressure mechanic all in one. Hate it for ya that you got dislexia and totally understand if you want to run macros in that case. Go for it. But the rest of the folks with no excuse are scrubs for running macros.

[Percival]

No point complaining about this aspect of the game you'll awaken the rude elitests.
I'm sure there'll be a mod later on.

Maybe you can get around the dyslexia / wasd thing by binding the arrow keys instead?

Personally I hold B on the keyboard then take my hand off the mouse to input the arrow keys.

[Marik]

There is something wonderful and miraculous you have been bestowed with called the human brain. It allows you to learn things that you were previously unable to do, as long as you practice. Try and give it a test run sometime.

[MeGa]

Originally posted by Schakar:

I can understand, that it might introduce a bit more active gameplay and alteration for actions like consoles. But overall it's more of a "learn to type blind with 3-4 fingers" then a real addtion to the game in my eyes.

For people who are slow-typers (any non-IT or buro job person) it's more frustration then fun :(. Want to recall a dead friend? Or supplay? Or throw an air-strike? Just not posible if you are not hardcore used to type blind!
PS: this would for example include my hole family and perants :/. As non of them can keyboard type with more then 2 fingers as they just never needed to in their jobs.

And yes. I strongly belive many MANY players will simply macro this WASD stuff. Either via software or drivers (most keyboard / mouse drivers have such simple key-macros today). And in this case I can't even judge them as I understand it soooo much :(.

Why not simple and fast 1-key options or a console-like wheel?

EDIT: Short explanation
I have dyslexia. A read-write-handicap I am born with compareble to color-blindness.
Moving with WASD is a "muscle brain" activity. I do not have to activly think about it. It just works blind.
The minigame is no "muscle brain" activity. I have to activly read, understand (compute), think about and then translate to my fingers with my eyes on the keys.

I am born with this handycap and it is no "l2p skill issue"!

EDIT2: and before someone asks ... I had ~7 years of spezial writing training 4 days/week 3 hours each time. That's why I can somewhat fast write without (I HOPE) to to many errors :). And this in a language wich is not my native language!
What did you do when you where 7-14 years old after your normal school?

@Steam ... please remove/refound ALL "comunity awards". I do not want them! Non of them!

I agree, was dyslexic as a child. Its essential to the game and I dont see it changed, but I dont enjoy that minigame.

[Game kNight Plays]

Originally posted by C4NNED:

It's a core part of the game and it is good game design because it is a balance and pressure mechanic all in one. Hate it for ya that you got dislexia and totally understand if you want to run macros in that case. Go for it. But the rest of the folks with no excuse are scrubs for running macros.

Really - scrubs? Why though?
If there was a real advantage over others because of it, I could see you complaining - but why should you dictate how other people play their games?

If I wanted to play it standing on my head wearing swimming goggles, would you complain aobut that too? :D

Come on, be better...

[miscellaneous unc]

Originally posted by Schakar:

Originally posted by brownie689:

you can use a controller and be able to call these stratagems in while sprinting.

As an old school PC player I have a keyboard and a mouse. It's nice that console players have an easy-mode (they are handicaped enough with their bad aim *g*).

So why no wheel in the PC version?

Rebind the stratagem keys to arrow keys. Thank me later.