JAR-5 Dominator...

[Hi, I'm Ari.]

I've been told over and over that this thing sucks, so I got it last out of every weapon in the game.

It's... Actually really good? Wtf? (When used to its strengths)

That said I'd only recommend using it over other options if you're running Flamethrower or Arc against bugs. It demolishes armoured bugs and shreds Bile Spewers/variants in a handful of shots, and its lack of AOE means you won't kill yourself when using it to defend yourself from Hunters/Stalkers. Plus it can nail those flying b-stards in a single shot, just wait for them to bee-line you before lunging and plink em once.

Oh and don't use it while ADSing lol, but then again that can be said for 3/4 of the guns in the game.

[Diligent Diamond]

Originally posted by PROVIDENCE:

Originally posted by BabyBeauty:

No, the JAR needs some form of buff, being too hyper-niche at present is crap. It needs better general use on top of it's niche advantage and not give up everything just for a few bile spewers.

Personally, and call it sacrilage.

I think the Scorcher is extremely overtuned. When I rate JAR I ignore Scorcher because Scorcher makes debating any weapon a worthless endeavour.

This doesn't help the fact that Scorcher is doing a bugged amount of damage rn. Even though it deals 100 damage it can kill spore spewers in fewer shots than JAR. Imho it might be dealing damage twice, once per AOE, once per impact, which doesn't seem intentional.

JAR in a universe where Scorcher doesn't exist does have a niche, Scorcher however is just.. OP. I avoid using it unless I am really try-harding because it feels like cheating.

That's not a bug. Spore Spewer has more then one hit box... and since the Scorcher actually has AOE it hits more then one box and does more dmg to the spewer. If a Scorcher hits a hive guard in the face it does 100 to the head and each leg... so 4 shots will cripple both front legs and not kill it, but 4 shots with the Dominator will do 800 just to the head and kill it. So they are similar but have different uses.
I run the Jar with a Laser Drone and a add clearing support like the stalwart or flamethrower. I focus down the mid size stuff and kite letting the drone clear the scavengers and brown warrior bugs... works really well.

[Monk]

Originally posted by onewhofound:

All weapons are good when "used to its strengths"

The Dominator doesn't do anything the Breaker can't, and can't do at all most of the things the Breaker does.

If you want to use a substandard weapon, go right to it Citizen, but don't try and tell us we are bad at the game because it just sounds angsty.

It can pen armour, is nearly hitscan speed (I really don't get people saying it's projectiles are slow) destroys squishy stuff and while it's handling is slower than a slugger, it fires much faster and unlike the breaker will do it's full damage at any range.

[Botji]

Tbh the only reason I would use the JAR over a Slugger would be if the JAR got like a 50-100% ammo increase in its mags or possibly if the "explosive" effect was a thing because I am pretty sure the JAR is not doing explosive damage or AoE.

Another big deal is that I am pretty sure the JAR is not a 100% 1 shot kill on the weak enemies, especially against Automatons so currently the Slugger just feels like a straight upgrade in everything except projectile velocity/drop but considering neither are exactly sniper rifles its not much of a issue.

[Monk]

Explosive doesn't equal aoe, it means it will do 100% damage to squishy spots instead of 10%, it also fires MUCH faster and seems to penetrate bugs so it can hit stuff behind them also half the time.

[Botji]

Originally posted by Monk:

Explosive doesn't equal aoe, it means it will do 100% damage to squishy spots instead of 10%, it also fires MUCH faster and seems to penetrate bugs so it can hit stuff behind them also half the time.

Even if it does 100% damage to squishy spots, it does not seem to do better in any situation compared to a Slugger and while it technically has more ammo than a Slugger with its 90 capacity vs 60 the fact you generally do not want to run around with half or below means it often struggles even more with ammo than a Slugger, at least I do.

It also feels "sluggish" to aim, in fact the JAR is weird to aim. It looks like its super accurate but trying to use either the sight or the laser pointer to aim will still somewhat often result in missing even stationary targets at range and idk why it does that.

Its similarly unreliable with its damage, hit a arm of a weak bot and it likely survives and even the weak bug Warriors can sometimes take a headshot and survive while I do not think either has happened a single time for me with the Slugger.


JAR isnt bad but Slugger simply seems to outperform it at the same tasks and then some, like opening container doors, breaking fences and much more stagger.

[Monk]

Yes, it has pros and cons and as I said a pro for its slower aiming is it's far higher rof and as such dps, you can fire 3 shots for every one if the slugger.

ADS I find it very accurate, non ADS like everything it hits within the circle.

If it doesn't work for you, that is fine, pretty much all guns are viable so use one that works for you.

Despite being a huge shotgun fan in games, I don't get on with the breaker variants so I don't run them (I like my primary to be able to pen medium targets not just small stuff which I use my side arm for).

[Botji]

Originally posted by Monk:

Yes, it has pros and cons and as I said a pro for its slower aiming is it's far higher rof and as such dps, you can fire 3 shots for every one if the slugger.

ADS I find it very accurate, non ADS like everything it hits within the circle.

If it doesn't work for you, that is fine, pretty much all guns are viable so use one that works for you.

Despite being a huge shotgun fan in games, I don't get on with the breaker variants so I don't run them (I like my primary to be able to pen medium targets not just small stuff which I use my side arm for).

Slugger pens medium armor despite its description claiming its only light armor, if it didnt I would probably switch to the JAR tbh.

[Dyspeptic Icarus]

Originally posted by PROVIDENCE:

I've been told over and over that this thing sucks, so I got it last out of every weapon in the game.

It's... Actually really good? Wtf? (When used to its strengths)

That said I'd only recommend using it over other options if you're running Flamethrower or Arc against bugs. It demolishes armoured bugs and shreds Bile Spewers/variants in a handful of shots, and its lack of AOE means you won't kill yourself when using it to defend yourself from Hunters/Stalkers. Plus it can nail those flying b-stards in a single shot, just wait for them to bee-line you before lunging and plink em once.

Oh and don't use it while ADSing lol, but then again that can be said for 3/4 of the guns in the game.

Jar-5 is one of the best 2 primary weapons in the game. That and the other Medium Armor Pen Assault Rifle.

They take out quite a lot more enemies that other primaries need to hit different weak spots for. They are UNPARALLELED compared to other primaries except maybe the machine guns that can be used in lower tiers more effectively.

Jar-5 excels because explosive knocks back bigger enemies in time for you to kill them.

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The issue most people have is... Flamethrower, and Arc Thrower aren't primaries they are support. You use them for objective quick clear, and maintaining.

They are like the sentries except more manual. You aren't supposed to use them for patrols, and between objectives.

The Arc Thrower excels when you hot swap it, and fire a few, then swap back. It's an excellent harass tool.

[Monk]

Originally posted by Botji:

Originally posted by Monk:

Yes, it has pros and cons and as I said a pro for its slower aiming is it's far higher rof and as such dps, you can fire 3 shots for every one if the slugger.

ADS I find it very accurate, non ADS like everything it hits within the circle.

If it doesn't work for you, that is fine, pretty much all guns are viable so use one that works for you.

Despite being a huge shotgun fan in games, I don't get on with the breaker variants so I don't run them (I like my primary to be able to pen medium targets not just small stuff which I use my side arm for).

Slugger pens medium armor despite its description claiming its only light armor, if it didnt I would probably switch to the JAR tbh.

I know it does, but it is 3x slower, which is why I prefer the dominator as I find I do better with it and find it easier to clear stuff dye to the higher rof, it's almost as if I said just this and that all guns being viable you can just use what works for you (I also called out breakers not working for me, not shotguns).

[Botji]

Originally posted by Monk:

Originally posted by Botji:

Slugger pens medium armor despite its description claiming its only light armor, if it didnt I would probably switch to the JAR tbh.

I know it does, but it is 3x slower, which is why I prefer the dominator as I find I do better with it and find it easier to clear stuff dye to the higher rof, it's almost as if I said just this and that all guns being viable you can just use what works for you (I also called out breakers not working for me, not shotguns).

Its almost as if you just said
"Despite being a huge shotgun fan in games, I don't get on with the breaker variants so I don't run them (I like my primary to be able to pen medium targets not just small stuff which I use my side arm for)."

In a discussion about the JAR/Slugger which prompted me to point out that the Slugger does pen medium armor since that was the only logical reason for you to bring it up, forgive me for not reading your mind and knowing you were just sharing some random facts about yourself rather than anything to do with the discussion.

I can also be snarky if I want to!

[Monk]

I was referencing that I don't get on with the breakers and that it is OK as there are other weapons, that you failed to grasp that is on you, I thought I made it clear enough that just because you don't like a gun doesn't make it bad.

[Bill Waggoner]

Originally posted by PROVIDENCE:

I've been told over and over that this thing sucks, so I got it last out of every weapon in the game.

It's... Actually really good? Wtf? (When used to its strengths)

That said I'd only recommend using it over other options if you're running Flamethrower or Arc against bugs. It demolishes armoured bugs and shreds Bile Spewers/variants in a handful of shots, and its lack of AOE means you won't kill yourself when using it to defend yourself from Hunters/Stalkers. Plus it can nail those flying b-stards in a single shot, just wait for them to bee-line you before lunging and plink em once.

Oh and don't use it while ADSing lol, but then again that can be said for 3/4 of the guns in the game.

There is no reason for it to handle like a potato cannon.

[Laho]

Originally posted by Botji:

Tbh the only reason I would use the JAR over a Slugger would be if the JAR got like a 50-100% ammo increase in its mags or possibly if the "explosive" effect was a thing because I am pretty sure the JAR is not doing explosive damage or AoE.

Another big deal is that I am pretty sure the JAR is not a 100% 1 shot kill on the weak enemies, especially against Automatons so currently the Slugger just feels like a straight upgrade in everything except projectile velocity/drop but considering neither are exactly sniper rifles its not much of a issue.

This. There is not a single enemy or situation in the game that the Slugger doesn't handle better than the Dominator. They're basically the same gun, except the Slugger aims better, has better ammo management, does more damage, penetrates armor better, hits weakpoints better, handles crowds or close range better.
You need to start shooting at really long range for the Dominator to get any sort of edge. It's dumb

But I'm fairly sure the Dominator is bugged in more than one way right now.

[Monk]

Much lower dps making it inferior for quickly dispatching groups or tough enemies, also cannot pop big squishy things nearly as well.

On the other hand it dies more damage per shot and has knock pack and better handling.

Fortunately there are both options to suit your use case and personal taste, I get on far better with the dominator dye to the rof which I find can let me get over run far easier when I run the slugger.

[Wutever]

Originally posted by Monk:

Much lower dps making it inferior for quickly dispatching groups or tough enemies, also cannot pop big squishy things nearly as well.

On the other hand it dies more damage per shot and has knock pack and better handling.

Fortunately there are both options to suit your use case and personal taste, I get on far better with the dominator dye to the rof which I find can let me get over run far easier when I run the slugger.

Naah, the damage, penetration and stagger are fine. Even the relatively slow bullet speed and questionable handling are fine. What kills the gun for me is the miserable magazine size and number of spare magazines.

It's basically a specialized weapon in a primary slot, which does not work in a game where your secondary weapon also has barely any ammo. Only way you can run a Dominator and not have ammo issues is if you mainly rely on your support weapon, but most support weapons can already deal with medium threats, making the Dominator pointless.