Too many wild accusations, no proof or evidence

[Ark Strike]

I've been looking at the reviews and discussions and people are just blatantly lying at this point, not about the crashing but about their PCs acting abnormally or they swear the game crashes every few minutes or that it takes several minutes for their PCs to boot up now

I've not seen anybody backing up these wild claims that the nProtect anti-cheat is responsible or anyway less safe than many other kernel level based anti-cheat solutions, yes its bad that they have kernel access but these accusations are all over the place and they are getting more and more dramatic and outrageous

At this point I wholeheartedly believe everybody thats still riding the "nProtect bad" drama forward is just trying to pathetically farm points.

Also the battlepass and MTX are fine, they even let you earn some of it for free, you don't HAVE to buy them and if you don't buy them then it won't be profitable and they'll stop, that's how you protest just don't participate.

[Elvi]

My personal favourite still is people who don't have the game lambasting the game and criticising people for even installing it due to GameGuard, while having playtime in other games with the same GameGuard. But hey, the trolls will get tired and go away in couple days, as with all releases.

[Crosswind]

Just Google Nprotect and you'll see it has a very bad track record of bricking PC's, deleting Windows core files, burning out CPU's and creating serious security vulnerabilities when installed. It is an insidious, incompetent, outdated, and useless piece of software that has a multiple decade trail of destruction and failure in its wake. You're not only being woefully ignorant by choice but intentionally disingenuous to even pretend otherwise. You and a few others I have seen in these forums attempting to defend it and deny the reality of what that software is and does are bad faith actors if ever I've seen it.

[[CULT] Siren]

Originally posted by Crosswind:

Just Google Nprotect and you'll see it has a very bad track record of bricking PC's, deleting Windows core files, burning out CPU's and creating serious security vulnerabilities when installed. It is an insidious, incompetent, outdated, and useless piece of software that has a multiple decade trail of destruction and failure in its wake. You're not only being woefully ignorant by choice but intentionally disingenuous to even pretend otherwise. You and a few others I have seen in these forums attempting to defend it and deny the reality of what that software is and does are bad faith actors if ever I've seen it.

it does nothing.
iv played games with some of the top "dont play this game cause of x anti-cheats" out there and iv never had issues.

some of you are still tryting to run this ♥♥♥♥ on windows 7 like pure dummies and expecting it to work. thats more than likely what it is

[Lucy_Kushinada_]

Originally posted by Crosswind:

Just Google Nprotect and you'll see it has a very bad track record of bricking PC's, deleting Windows core files, burning out CPU's and creating serious security vulnerabilities when installed. It is an insidious, incompetent, outdated, and useless piece of software that has a multiple decade trail of destruction and failure in its wake. You're not only being woefully ignorant by choice but intentionally disingenuous to even pretend otherwise. You and a few others I have seen in these forums attempting to defend it and deny the reality of what that software is and does are bad faith actors if ever I've seen it.

This has been said about actually every single anti-cheat that has moved to rootkit, or been developed as one. Riot's vanguard also had rumors of it bricking people's PC's during the first 6 months of its introduction.

In fact, in defense of nProtect, the Vanguard claims are slightly more believable since it was running whenever the system was running at that point in time.

I've never seen any articles or documents substantiation any of these claims regarding nProtect.

nProtect has been around for over a decade and has been used in MANY titles since then without issue. In fact, there are people on this very forum who are confused on why nProtect is doing a repair/reinstall when installing this game, because they've played games in the past with it and had no idea. But now its an issue, now its a problem for them.

I understand there's a subtle, unspoken racism in the NA gaming community over Asian titles, developers, players, and software, so I'm EXTREMELY hesitant to take any of these posts with any salt. nProtect has been around for as long as EAC, and I've never heard anything about it except that people think its shady. I understand that a full uninstall can be a little complicated, but almost every rootkit anticheat is like this.

[Ark Strike]

Originally posted by Crosswind:

Just Google Nprotect and you'll see it has a very bad track record of bricking PC's, deleting Windows core files, burning out CPU's and creating serious security vulnerabilities when installed. It is an insidious, incompetent, outdated, and useless piece of software that has a multiple decade trail of destruction and failure in its wake. You're not only being woefully ignorant by choice but intentionally disingenuous to even pretend otherwise. You and a few others I have seen in these forums attempting to defend it and deny the reality of what that software is and does are bad faith actors if ever I've seen it.

I remember when people like you claimed Epic was installing chinese spyware on PCs and cyber security experts investigated and found no evidence of this.

I remember when people like you claimed Valorant was a rootkit and impossible to uninstall even after formatting windows and again cyber security experts investigated and found nothing of the sort was possible or happening.

I remember when people like you claimed all sort of bullroar with no evidence in hand, you do it all the time and the best thing you can do are insults and accusing strangers of "being trolls" or "devs gaslighting", get the ♥♥♥♥ outta here with that non-sense

[[CULT] Siren]

Originally posted by Ark Strike:

Originally posted by Crosswind:

Just Google Nprotect and you'll see it has a very bad track record of bricking PC's, deleting Windows core files, burning out CPU's and creating serious security vulnerabilities when installed. It is an insidious, incompetent, outdated, and useless piece of software that has a multiple decade trail of destruction and failure in its wake. You're not only being woefully ignorant by choice but intentionally disingenuous to even pretend otherwise. You and a few others I have seen in these forums attempting to defend it and deny the reality of what that software is and does are bad faith actors if ever I've seen it.

I remember when people like you claimed Epic was installing chinese spyware on PCs and cyber security experts investigated and found no evidence of this.

i sadly fell for that for a while but i just waited for a video to pop up and i didnt give a ♥♥♥♥ after that

[Ark Strike]

Originally posted by a s t r a_:

Originally posted by Crosswind:

Just Google Nprotect and you'll see it has a very bad track record of bricking PC's, deleting Windows core files, burning out CPU's and creating serious security vulnerabilities when installed. It is an insidious, incompetent, outdated, and useless piece of software that has a multiple decade trail of destruction and failure in its wake. You're not only being woefully ignorant by choice but intentionally disingenuous to even pretend otherwise. You and a few others I have seen in these forums attempting to defend it and deny the reality of what that software is and does are bad faith actors if ever I've seen it.

This has been said about actually every single anti-cheat that has moved to rootkit, or been developed as one. Riot's vanguard also had rumors of it bricking people's PC's during the first 6 months of its introduction.

In fact, in defense of nProtect, the Vanguard claims are slightly more believable since it running whenever the system was running at that point in time.

I've never seen any articles or documents substantiation any of these claims regarding nProtect.

nProtect has been around for over a decade and has been used in MANY titles since then without issue. In fact, there are people on this very forum who are confused on why nProtect is doing a repair/reinstall when installing this game, because they've played games in the past with it and had no idea. But now its an issue, now its a problem for them.

I understand there's a subtle, unspoken racism in the NA gaming community over Asian titles, developers, players, and software, so I'm EXTREMELY hesitant to take any of these posts with any salt. nProtect has been around for as long as EAC, and I've never heard anything about it except that people think its shady. I understand that a full uninstall is a little complicated, but almost every rootkit anticheat is like this.

The only tangible thing nProtect can be accused of is being easily bypassed since it has been around as early as the 2000's so its most definitely an outdated PoS that will do a terrible job in protecting the game from hackers and cheaters

[J.P.]

It ran just fine for me and I was even able to join a game through the quick play

[Lucy_Kushinada_]

Originally posted by Ark Strike:

Originally posted by Crosswind:

Just Google Nprotect and you'll see it has a very bad track record of bricking PC's, deleting Windows core files, burning out CPU's and creating serious security vulnerabilities when installed. It is an insidious, incompetent, outdated, and useless piece of software that has a multiple decade trail of destruction and failure in its wake. You're not only being woefully ignorant by choice but intentionally disingenuous to even pretend otherwise. You and a few others I have seen in these forums attempting to defend it and deny the reality of what that software is and does are bad faith actors if ever I've seen it.

I remember when people like you claimed Epic was installing chinese spyware on PCs and cyber security experts investigated and found no evidence of this.

I remember when people like you claimed Valorant was a rootkit and impossible to uninstall even after formatting windows and again cyber security experts investigated and found nothing of the sort was possible or happening.

I remember when people like you claimed all sort of bullroar with no evidence in hand, you do it all the time and the best thing you can do are insults and accusing strangers of "being trolls" or "devs gaslighting", get the ♥♥♥♥ outta here with that non-sense

A lot of people get confused with uninstalling programs in my experience so far because they yeet the files into the recycle bin without using an uninstaller, or use the windows uninstaller, so then when there's like a single registry entry left, people start flying off the hook. :\

Vanguard had tons of rumors about it being impossible to uninstall like you were saying, yet all you had to do was run the VanguardUninstall.exe or whatever it was called and restart. That was it. That's been the uninstall process since the Valorant beta. People can literally go back to the 2019/2020 forums and look up people talking about this.

Its the same stuff, just a different day. Just a different program and a different game.

The misinformation that's out there is wild. This stuff catches on like wildfire.

[Ark Strike]

Originally posted by J.P.:

It ran just fine for me and I was even able to join a game through the quick play

Same, I didn't have any disconnects and me and my friend only had 2 crashes in total in the lobby never in a mission. This game is faring far far better than Payday 3 in terms of stability and being gamer friendly, even watched a 3 hour streaming and none on the 4-man squad had crashes or latency issues which is impressive not going to lie

[Ark Strike]

Originally posted by a s t r a_:

Originally posted by Ark Strike:

I remember when people like you claimed Epic was installing chinese spyware on PCs and cyber security experts investigated and found no evidence of this.

I remember when people like you claimed Valorant was a rootkit and impossible to uninstall even after formatting windows and again cyber security experts investigated and found nothing of the sort was possible or happening.

I remember when people like you claimed all sort of bullroar with no evidence in hand, you do it all the time and the best thing you can do are insults and accusing strangers of "being trolls" or "devs gaslighting", get the ♥♥♥♥ outta here with that non-sense

A lot of people get confused with uninstalling programs in my experience so far because they yeet the files into the recycle bin without using an uninstaller, or use the windows uninstaller, so then when there's like a single registry entry left, people start flying off the hook. :\

Vanguard had tons of rumors about it being impossible to uninstall like you were saying, yet all you had to do was run the VanguardUninstall.exe or whatever it was called and restart. That was it. That's been the uninstall process since the Valorant beta. People can literally go back to the 2019/2020 forums and look up people talking about this.

Its the same stuff, just a different day. Just a different program and a different game.

The misinformation that's out there is wild. This stuff catches on like wildfire.

Oh god you reminded me of someone claiming some videogames were viruses because they uninstalled them but they still showed up... they deleted the shortcuts on the desktop so of course the program still shows up in Apps but their web browsers were full of those taskbars from different websites, that's the kind of people that spread false rumours about cyber security issues all the time.

[shakee]

Originally posted by a s t r a_:

Originally posted by Ark Strike:

I remember when people like you claimed Epic was installing chinese spyware on PCs and cyber security experts investigated and found no evidence of this.

I remember when people like you claimed Valorant was a rootkit and impossible to uninstall even after formatting windows and again cyber security experts investigated and found nothing of the sort was possible or happening.

I remember when people like you claimed all sort of bullroar with no evidence in hand, you do it all the time and the best thing you can do are insults and accusing strangers of "being trolls" or "devs gaslighting", get the ♥♥♥♥ outta here with that non-sense

A lot of people get confused with uninstalling programs in my experience so far because they yeet the files into the recycle bin without using an uninstaller, or use the windows uninstaller, so then when there's like a single registry entry left, people start flying off the hook. :\

Vanguard had tons of rumors about it being impossible to uninstall like you were saying, yet all you had to do was run the VanguardUninstall.exe or whatever it was called and restart. That was it. That's been the uninstall process since the Valorant beta.

The misinformation that's out there is wild. This stuff catches on like wildfire.

Sometimes I wonder if 90% of those people are doing this on purpose just for the kick. Like the swatting.

[Highway]

Originally posted by Ark Strike:

I've been looking at the reviews and discussions and people are just blatantly lying at this point, not about the crashing but about their PCs acting abnormally or they swear the game crashes every few minutes or that it takes several minutes for their PCs to boot up now

I've not seen anybody backing up these wild claims that the nProtect anti-cheat is responsible or anyway less safe than many other kernel level based anti-cheat solutions, yes its bad that they have kernel access but these accusations are all over the place and they are getting more and more dramatic and outrageous

At this point I wholeheartedly believe everybody thats still riding the "nProtect bad" drama forward is just trying to pathetically farm points.

Also the battlepass and MTX are fine, they even let you earn some of it for free, you don't HAVE to buy them and if you don't buy them then it won't be profitable and they'll stop, that's how you protest just don't participate.

I would argue it's not for the paying customer to have to prove its a bad idea to make us use rootkit protect systems that may or may not be safe or stable, but it's actually anti consumer to have it there in the first place.

[II-KING-II]

The same people who are against Nprotect, use windows, have social media, google or/and apple accounts and have a smart phone. Your whole life is already spied on

[Highway]

Originally posted by II-KING-II:

The same people who are against Nprotect, use windows, have social media, google or/and apple accounts and have a smart phone. Your whole life is already spied on :cozyhitman2:

And that doesnt make it any less of a anti consumer move to add more backdoor apps and spyware either