The satire here is great...

[Chezident]

...but because it doesn't involve putting diverse people in main roles, right wingers aren't going to get upset about it, even if the game is point-blank lambasting Western conservative politics left and right.

[kth]

lmao politics thread

[H0]

you get in, you shoot stuff, funny.

[Monarchco]

Neither 40k nor this are "satire about fascism"

Newsflash, if humans are ever presented with an apocalyptic threat to the whole human race, like found in this game and in 40k, the logical conclusion is that authoritarianism will take over.

There's a reason that a naval warship of 1000 sailors operates all under the command of a single man's decree. Because that's what it takes to win the fight, is for everything to just happen. Not for a bunch of sailors to pipe up with their opinion of what should be done or questioning orders.

What do you think it takes to win against the tyranids or chaos? Do you think everyone can sit around and have a little discussion of freedom when entire planets of humans are getting wiped out in the blink of an eye?

Or for this game? Do you think that's going to work against a bunch of creatures that appear half bug half tyranid?

These games are not some commentary about authoritarianism. They're a logical conclusion to a given scenario.

[smokratez]

Originally posted by A Real Hero:

Originally posted by VDRSK:

That is because that satire is about fascism and patriotism, similar to Warhammer 40k and Fallout.

It's not making fun of left ideals, it's making fun of right ideals.

Yeah, because patriotism in an uniquely right-wing phenomenon, right?

how is loving your own country a problem?

[Redstar9645]

Originally posted by BrendyBear:

Originally posted by Redstar964:

I should have correctly said military fascism. It does not really show dictatorship since what we saw the sky marshal is voted on by a council.

Nothing Fascist about it. Fascism is probably in the top 10 of most misunderstood terms. It's an ideology born out of the trade union movement and is basically state socialism. Starship Troopers works on a kind of nationalist limited franchise democracy where in order to vote and have other benefits in society you have to do some kind of civil service. Because the movie (and book) focuses on the military, military service is the civil service you see. It's interesting that almost everyone misses the part where Johnny Rico's parents are very well off (rich even), and they aren't citizens. So it's not like the Federation is oppressing the people who don't serve.

Verhoeven himself, have stated that the film was intended to be ironic, and to critique fascism. The film has also been described as criticizing the jingoism of US foreign policy, the military industrial complex, and the society in the film, which elevates violence over sensitivity -Wiki . I know its wiki but its about a movie, not something historical.


I will go with what the creator wanted, I am talking about the movie and only the movie, nothing about the book.

[Slithy]

Originally posted by A Real Hero:

Originally posted by VDRSK:

That is because that satire is about fascism and patriotism, similar to Warhammer 40k and Fallout.

It's not making fun of left ideals, it's making fun of right ideals.

Yeah, because patriotism in an uniquely right-wing phenomenon, right?

A lot of people who like use fascism in their statements rarely understand what fascism actually is. The National Socialist German Workers' Party was predominantly a left-wing movement that encouraged greater collectivism and a stronger government but is regularly, even my "intellectuals" with a political bias, called right-wing.

Right-wing movements tend to want to remove or separate the government from the individual as much as possible. An example of extreme-right would actually be anarchocapitalism, not fascism.

[Darkeus]

It is a game about killing bugs and cyborgs.

It isn't that damn deep.

I am probably closer to you politically. And still this is a dumb ass thread.

[Redstar9645]

Originally posted by Monarchco:

Neither 40k nor this are "satire about fascism"

Newsflash, if humans are ever presented with an apocalyptic threat to the whole human race, like found in this game and in 40k, the logical conclusion is that authoritarianism will take over.

There's a reason that a naval warship of 1000 sailors operates all under the command of a single man's decree. Because that's what it takes to win the fight, is for everything to just happen. Not for a bunch of sailors to pipe up with their opinion of what should be done or questioning orders.

What do you think it takes to win against the tyranids or chaos? Do you think everyone can sit around and have a little discussion of freedom when entire planets of humans are getting wiped out in the blink of an eye?

Or for this game? Do you think that's going to work against a bunch of creatures that appear half bug half tyranid?

These games are not some commentary about authoritarianism. They're a logical conclusion to a given scenario.

40K's imperium is a fascist feudalistic theocracy. Warhamer 40k wiki.

No matter how you want to frame it, it is fascist because that's what the creators intended it to be and no amount of mental gymnastics is going to change it.

[Blackguard]

Turns out if you make a fun game that isn't trying to force an agenda on people, said people won't complain about it as much.

Who could've guessed! ¯\ (°uo) /¯

[Redstar9645]

Originally posted by Darkeus:

It is a game about killing bugs and cyborgs.

It isn't that damn deep.

I am probably closer to you politically. And still this is a dumb ass thread.

All I said its base off the satire of star ship troopers, its not like a big debate honestly because thats what it is and its funny to me.

[emahi011]

Ukraine flag in bio for sure.

[LowSkillPlays]

Conservatives have that brainrot that anything with women or POC is "woke" which is just a way for them to signal to others "yes I'm a bigot." Love em.

[Monarchco]

Originally posted by Redstar964:

Originally posted by Monarchco:

Neither 40k nor this are "satire about fascism"

Newsflash, if humans are ever presented with an apocalyptic threat to the whole human race, like found in this game and in 40k, the logical conclusion is that authoritarianism will take over.

There's a reason that a naval warship of 1000 sailors operates all under the command of a single man's decree. Because that's what it takes to win the fight, is for everything to just happen. Not for a bunch of sailors to pipe up with their opinion of what should be done or questioning orders.

What do you think it takes to win against the tyranids or chaos? Do you think everyone can sit around and have a little discussion of freedom when entire planets of humans are getting wiped out in the blink of an eye?

Or for this game? Do you think that's going to work against a bunch of creatures that appear half bug half tyranid?

These games are not some commentary about authoritarianism. They're a logical conclusion to a given scenario.

40K's imperium is a fascist feudalistic theocracy. Warhamer 40k wiki.

No matter how you want to frame it, it is because that's that the creators made it that way, and no amount of mental gymnastics is going to change it.

Did you even read my comment?
I didn't say it wasn't fascist. I said it wasn't a COMMENTARY on fascism. (This means the creators didn't choose to make them fascist for a political reason, but instead choose to make them fascist because it was the logical conclusion for the scenario).

Do you understand this? Is this explained simplistically enough for you?

[Monarchco]

Originally posted by LowSkillPlays:

Conservatives have that brainrot that anything with women or POC is "woke" which is just a way for them to signal to others "yes I'm a bigot." Love em.

You guys threw a temper tantrum because kingdom come deliverance wouldn't put black people into 16th century slovakia. LOL.

[Darkeus]

Originally posted by Redstar964:

Originally posted by Darkeus:

It is a game about killing bugs and cyborgs.

It isn't that damn deep.

I am probably closer to you politically. And still this is a dumb ass thread.

All I said its base off the satire of star ship troopers, its not like a big debate honestly because thats what it is and its funny to me.

I was talking about OP.

As for you, yes you are correct.