So is it pay to win (get an advantage over others no matter if you‘re co-op) or not?

[Ratman]

According to their post, a few days ago:
Do you hate FOMO? We do! Sagar wants to be clear about the monetization in HELLDIVERS 2: “At Arrowhead, we're gamers too, and we want these Warbonds to feel modern, fun, and in line with the Arrowhead style. This is important to us: the Warbonds are NOT a pay-to-win, FOMO-driven system. Instead, the gear in the Warbonds just keeps accumulating. We will not retire earlier Warbonds as new ones are released - you can pick them up and complete them at any time!”

soooo did they just forgot the battlepass or what happened? They clearly saw that there was confusion regarding the warbonds, clear it up saying they don‘t like the fear of missing out, but then, according to others, implement a battlepass? Sorry can‘t prove for myself until 6 hours and wanted to see what the pioneers over here have to say. Please stay calm and non toxic in this discussion, this is just a game after all :)

[Stevie Wonder]

what exactly are you confused about and dont understand?

Warbonds = battlepass

And what they said is that the items you can unlock in the warbonds (battlepass) wont disappear, you can always get them and any new items will just be added in when they release (btw these items are unlocked with in game currency)

I mean its exactly as the post they said as exactly what you quoted.
Did you just not read it or what?

[Cassidyshdw]

NON-TOXIC response;

There is no FOMO because warbonds (battlepass) never expires.

It's not pay-to-win because while playing, you progress trough warbond (battlepass), and when you play enough to buy warbond without spending money you can unlock it instantly with every item you've unlocked when warbond was not available for you yet

So yes you can spend some dollars to get warbonds items FASTER, but it's not locked behind paywall in any way, and you unlock it by playing the game anyway

[worm in exile]

I think there's an IQ problem here.
The Warbond IS the battlepass, and the battlepasses don't get retired in this game, much like in Halo Infinite.

You can purchase and complete any battlepass (AKA Warbond) from the past at any time in this game.

[Pekora]

Originally posted by Ratman:

According to their post, a few days ago:
Do you hate FOMO? We do! Sagar wants to be clear about the monetization in HELLDIVERS 2: “At Arrowhead, we're gamers too, and we want these Warbonds to feel modern, fun, and in line with the Arrowhead style. This is important to us: the Warbonds are NOT a pay-to-win, FOMO-driven system. Instead, the gear in the Warbonds just keeps accumulating. We will not retire earlier Warbonds as new ones are released - you can pick them up and complete them at any time!”

Yes it is pay2win

Pay2win pre-order armor gives you a 50% chance to not die when you would die

In a PVE game let that sink in...

https://i.imgur.com/hmK1hco.jpeg

Ogey

[Cassidyshdw]

Originally posted by Pekora:

Originally posted by Ratman:

According to their post, a few days ago:
Do you hate FOMO? We do! Sagar wants to be clear about the monetization in HELLDIVERS 2: “At Arrowhead, we're gamers too, and we want these Warbonds to feel modern, fun, and in line with the Arrowhead style. This is important to us: the Warbonds are NOT a pay-to-win, FOMO-driven system. Instead, the gear in the Warbonds just keeps accumulating. We will not retire earlier Warbonds as new ones are released - you can pick them up and complete them at any time!”

Yes it is pay2win

Pay2win pre-order armor gives you a 50% chance to not die when you would die

In a PVE game let that sink in...

https://i.imgur.com/hmK1hco.jpeg

Ogey

You realize it only helps you if someone has this armor as you are working together?

[Claptain Ahab]

The best part is all these people saying its not p2w because its pve. Are the same ones saying we need anti cheat in a "pve" game. Which is it guys. Especially considering the anti cheat is causing the game to not even work for people.

[Ratman]

Thanks to the guys taking their time to explain this.

To the other “iq issue”/“no read guys”: i am taking into consideration everything i read or hear. Even if that is a review which says that things are locked behind a “premium” warbond for real money - As i cannot verify these claims myself yet, i am here and ask you guys if these claims are true. No need to be condescending :)

[Everlasting Light]

That salt guy that keeps linking that armor while incapable of reading is epitome of human's stupidity. It's only 50% not 100%. If you get hit by bugs back to back you're still going to die and there are lots of bugs that spawns to try to kill you. I just played 4 solo games and the armor can hardly even be called "pay to win". Currently the matchmaking isn't working but from the 4 matches i've played?

It's fun. Maybe more fun than darktide IMO where there are optional/side objectives on top of your main objective which encourage exploring that rewards the premium currency too. But exploring also brings risks. There are enemy patrols that once spots you they call their reinforcements to come get you.

[Thorwann]

There is a free and a premium warbond(battlepass) track, with the premium one costing 1000 of this games premium currency ( this is 9.99 eur/whatever your regional equivalent ) so thats pretty much standard fare, whether the guns on the premium track er better than the ones on the free track, I have no idea.

But FOMO it is not, as the items wont disappear forever every few months.

As for the p2w, idk the armor some people keep screeching about barely seemed to help me any when I have 10,20,30 bugs trying to eat me at the same time, speaking of which, this game is very unforgiving to play solo, even on easy difficulty you can very quickly be swarmed and overwhelmed by enemies.

[Kiyo]

If you can pay real money to get something faster than someone who does not pay real money it's "pay to win". If the game is selling "cosmetics" with stats it's "pay to win" regardless if you can get it by playing the game. If the game has cosmetics that ONLY effects the way your character looks, it's not pay to win. Is some types of "pay to win" less bad than others? Sure. But it does not mean that lesser "pay to win" is not "pay to win".

[QLIQ]

They have a shop with exclusive player perk items with a timer. Not sure how you can´t call this fomo. The battlepass is not fomo, and you will get the first premium pass through playing.

Very odd how they say they don´t want one thing to be fomo, but other things can be.

[Bryan Fury]

Originally posted by Ratman:

According to their post, a few days ago:
Do you hate FOMO? We do! Sagar wants to be clear about the monetization in HELLDIVERS 2: “At Arrowhead, we're gamers too, and we want these Warbonds to feel modern, fun, and in line with the Arrowhead style. This is important to us: the Warbonds are NOT a pay-to-win, FOMO-driven system. Instead, the gear in the Warbonds just keeps accumulating. We will not retire earlier Warbonds as new ones are released - you can pick them up and complete them at any time!”

soooo did they just forgot the battlepass or what happened? They clearly saw that there was confusion regarding the warbonds, clear it up saying they don‘t like the fear of missing out, but then, according to others, implement a battlepass? Sorry can‘t prove for myself until 6 hours and wanted to see what the pioneers over here have to say. Please stay calm and non toxic in this discussion, this is just a game after all :)

It is not P2W as there is NOTHING that have more stats than what you get..

Also, the PERKS are all over the place on other armors too, so preordered armors have nothing more than the actual armors you can unlock. They are only fashon skins.

Also, i have farmed in just 2 days over 1500 SC ad i can buy the premium pass if i wish (and i have only unlocked 5 pages of the free one, so i have yet to take the rest of the SC that are there) but the issue is not even the SC.

The issue is the MEDALS. You need TONS of medals. And those can't mbe bought.

People have to stop spreading lies that the game is P2W because they don't even know the meaning.

[Nihil]

Looks like we can't stress this enough (because as soon people hear the word "microtransactions", they jump to the conclusion of P2W) that the game isn't Pay to Win.

1. Everything you find locked behind premium currency can be earned simply by playing the game because premium currency can be found laying around the map in containers, storages, vaults ect in a pretty fair amount. Doesn't even take ages to farm out enough credits for premium items
2. The items you get from premium Warbond progression (which again you can unlock by playing) are not even better. Some of the weapons there are even worse than the "free" ones. And the armors have the same stats you can unlock from the "free" Warbonds, and are different only in their looks.

[Nihil]

Originally posted by QLIQ:

They have a shop with exclusive player perk items with a timer. Not sure how you can´t call this fomo. The battlepass is not fomo, and you will get the first premium pass through playing.

Very odd how they say they don´t want one thing to be fomo, but other things can be.

WHich are those "exclusive" perks you referring too? Literally every perk you find on armor on the superstore is already avalable in the base game to unlock. Again someone who didn't do his homework properly.

[Sid Longwei]

Originally posted by Pekora:

Originally posted by Ratman:

According to their post, a few days ago:
Do you hate FOMO? We do! Sagar wants to be clear about the monetization in HELLDIVERS 2: “At Arrowhead, we're gamers too, and we want these Warbonds to feel modern, fun, and in line with the Arrowhead style. This is important to us: the Warbonds are NOT a pay-to-win, FOMO-driven system. Instead, the gear in the Warbonds just keeps accumulating. We will not retire earlier Warbonds as new ones are released - you can pick them up and complete them at any time!”

Yes it is pay2win

Pay2win pre-order armor gives you a 50% chance to not die when you would die

In a PVE game let that sink in...

https://i.imgur.com/hmK1hco.jpeg

Ogey

This exact armor in a different color is purchasable with in-game currency.