GameGuard is just a below-average anti-cheat

[SirBlackalot]

These type of kernel level systems have been used for a long time. I have never seen anything that people claim in these forum happen EVER.

Gameguard is just a very old option that doesn't even work properly to detect background activity. For reference, it was used for combat arms over 15 years ago.

There are far more malicious and privacy invasive options. Vanguard (Valorant) and Ricochet (COD) come to mind. You can thank it is not something like Denuvo.

Helldivers 1 was without anti-cheat and the only reason they decided to get one was probably to avoid microtransaction problems.

Could have they made better decisions for a PvE focused game? Yes. Is it as bad as people yell here? No.

[DES-TI-NY]

You never had hackers in your game in Helldivers 1? Thank god they did add some kind of anti-cheat this time around.

[Doomvora]

Gameguard is just an "on par" product that receives very little attention because it's primarily in eastern games that didn't see EU/NA market until later in their development/life time.

Pso2/maplestory/elsword/blade&soul are probably the most popular games that have/had it.

It's not "bad" , it's just not good either.

[DMesse]

Originally posted by DES-TI-NY:

You never had hackers in your game in Helldivers 1? Thank god they did add some kind of anti-cheat this time around.

No, OP is just laughing at people thinking kernel access anti-cheats are automatically bad.

[DES-TI-NY]

Originally posted by DMesse:

Originally posted by DES-TI-NY:

You never had hackers in your game in Helldivers 1? Thank god they did add some kind of anti-cheat this time around.

No, OP is just laughing at people thinking kernel access anti-cheats are automatically bad.

Steam adding awards was the worst thing ever as all you can see these days in the steam forums are clowns farming points like this one thread.

[FatherGonzo]

Who in their right mind would want "just a below-average" rootkit installed on their machine?

[Grubi @ ng+]

Originally posted by DES-TI-NY:

You never had hackers in your game in Helldivers 1? Thank god they did add some kind of anti-cheat this time around.

its too hard to make a confirm button at the end of the game, if there was a hacker and gave u xx amount of mats.

[SirBlackalot]

Originally posted by DES-TI-NY:

You never had hackers in your game in Helldivers 1? Thank god they did add some kind of anti-cheat this time around.

I was referring to people potentially gaining admin access to your hardware. It can be done.

https://exchange.xforce.ibmcloud.com/vulnerabilities/18952

The chances of that happening to you specifically are so low that you could have more luck getting hit by lightning.

[SirBlackalot]

Originally posted by Doomvora:

Gameguard is just an "on par" product that receives very little attention because it's primarily in eastern games that didn't see EU/NA market until later in their development/life time.

Pso2/maplestory/elsword/blade&soul are probably the most popular games that have/had it.

It's not "bad" , it's just not good either.

Exactly. It's a bad choice for a product like this one but at the same time it's not as bad as people make it look.

[Roland]

Originally posted by FatherGonzo:

Who in their right mind would want "just a below-average" rootkit installed on their machine?

He says right after playing the Tribes 3 Demo which comes with EAC.

Now that I've seen this I can no longer take your anti-rootkit rhetoric seriously on any of these boards.

EAC is not only a rootkit itself, and one you clearly didn't mind, but is also a worse anticheat and when you ask users of nProtect games and users of EAC games who runs into more cheaters, it will always be EAC.

[DMesse]

Originally posted by scragglie:

Originally posted by DMesse:

I'm sorry, what?

Is this spilling over from your post of not admitting that anti-cheats, by default, are also anti-tamper tools?

I suggest that if you want to discredit someone on a different post, at least back up your claims beforehand.

the only one making claims here is you, and you are making false ones. defending drm is pretty sad dude.

I have never defended DRM. If you think I enjoyed having to jump the hoops of getting new Adobe products installed, you are terribly mistaken. I suggest that you go back to your original post for arguing further, instead of derailing this post.

[DES-TI-NY]

If you have an issue with kernal level access to things you don't control - please do yourself a favor and stop using Windows.

The anticheat argument is a buzzword and root level access is given by windows to like everything. Anti-cheats have been around for 20 years. The only part you, as a Windows user, should care about is that the anti-cheat runs when the game launches and closes when the game closes.

[SirBlackalot]

Originally posted by FatherGonzo:

Who in their right mind would want "just a below-average" rootkit installed on their machine?

You do that every single time you play a game with an anti-cheat. You probably never noticed it. Rainbow Six: Siege has one too in case you didn't know. The only difference is that some of these systems still run after you stopped playing or even uninstalled it. The devs already cleared this out.

[Roland]

Originally posted by SirBlackalot:

Originally posted by FatherGonzo:

Who in their right mind would want "just a below-average" rootkit installed on their machine?

You do that every single time you play a game with an anti-cheat. You probably never noticed it. Rainbow Six: Siege has one too in case you didn't know. The only difference is that some of these systems still run after you stopped playing or even uninstalled it. The devs already cleared this out.

Dawg they literally just played Tribes 3 a few hours ago, and for 3.5 hours.
Tribes 3 comes with EAC, a rootkit anti-cheat.

Their play history contradicts the argument they are trying to stir, and I suspect they are only here to troll and nothing more.

[Grubbs008]

Originally posted by FatherGonzo:

Who in their right mind would want "just a below-average" rootkit installed on their machine?

You've probably installed Easy Anti Cheat before? What do you think that is?

[¤ OpN ¤]

This whole anti cheat thing is a hand full of crusaders spreading misinformation and spamming the boards. Yawn.