Another Live Service game, always Online, without a campaign and I haven't seen any complaints?

[Alecmoon]

Strange to see people's silence and passivity when it comes to this Live Service game and always online, with microtransactions and invasive DRM.

Where are the angry Youtubers or Websites to boycott something so bad for the gaming industry?

I thought no one else wanted this type of game, when I based Hate on top of GAAS games in recent times. What has changed?

[Alecmoon]

Nguyên văn bởi GRVTSFat Bastard:

Nguyên văn bởi Mhick:

But that's not what I'm talking about. This is Sony's first Party game in 2024, and it is a GAAS with microtransactions. Something that has been repudiated on all websites and Youtubers, but I wonder why no one is saying anything about "another" GAAS launched. Especially coming from a company that is acclaimed for its Single Player games.

Because it doesn't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ matter. Who if it's always online, if you're buying multiplayer games then you should have a stable internet regardless. As for the ingame cash shop people who care about that ♥♥♥♥ are probably the worst with impulse control to begin with.

My connection is very stable 500Mb fiber, I have no problems playing online with it. And it's not even that question. But there are people who have serious problems understanding what I wrote, it's unbelievable.

[Cassidyshdw]

Nguyên văn bởi Mhick:

By the way, where are the reviews? No one suspects why Sony didn't send early evaluation keys? The game comes out tomorrow and we don't have any reviews or website previews.

IGN previewed this game week ago, gave it 8/10.
It really shows how ur knowledge on game is worth anything haters

https://www.ign.com/articles/helldivers-2-the-final-preview

here is link in case you are unable to use google

[Alecmoon]

Nguyên văn bởi Cassidyshdw:

Nguyên văn bởi Mhick:

By the way, where are the reviews? No one suspects why Sony didn't send early evaluation keys? The game comes out tomorrow and we don't have any reviews or website previews.

IGN previewed this game week ago, gave it 8/10.
It really shows how ur knowledge on game is worth anything haters

https://www.ign.com/articles/helldivers-2-the-final-preview

here is link in case you are unable to use google

Oh sure, I hadn't really seen it, but IGN? Serious? kkkk
Is that the same website that leaked information that would give Spiderman 2 a 9 regardless of whether the game was good or bad?

I read this Ign preview and there is no rating of 8, I think you just searched on Google and didn't even read the content.

Furthermore, the problem is not the game, I think it will even be fun for those who like COOP, but the way the media openly criticizes Live Services but now simply remains silent or pretends that it is not a problem. So tell me, Live Service is good or bad? Because depending on the game, the answer is different

[Alecmoon]

Summarizing the media, YouTubers and fanboy:

"Any" company launches a Live Service game always Online with microtransactions = "Garbage", "we don't want online games only", "we want offline single player with narrative", "cancer of the industry".

Sony launches Live Service always Online, without solo campaign, with microtransactions = "the game is very good, it doesn't matter that it's only online", "there's no need for a campaign", "microtransactions don't get in the way of the fun, buy whoever wants", " GOTY".

['Strict]

Nguyên văn bởi Mhick:

Summarizing the media, YouTubers and fanboy:

"Any" company launches a Live Service game always Online with microtransactions = "Garbage", "we don't want online games only", "we want offline single player with narrative", "cancer of the industry".

Sony launches Live Service always Online, without solo campaign, with microtransactions = "the game is very good, it doesn't matter that it's only online", "there's no need for a campaign", "microtransactions don't get in the way of the fun, buy whoever wants", " GOTY".

Well I'll say this, a coop game needs to be online. (Unless couch coop but I don't play those games unless they also have online coop)

But why should a coop game have a solo campaign?
I don't hate microtransactions if it's just skins, Helldivers 1 had dlc's that added OP items which I really didn't like.

But the games that are always online and are SP-games, that annoys me to no end....and yes I do own a few

And I'm far from a Sony fanboy, I don't care who develops or publishes a game, if the game is good, it's good, if it's bad...I don't buy it, or buy it but then stop playing it.

[Alecmoon]

Nguyên văn bởi 'Strict:

Nguyên văn bởi Mhick:

Summarizing the media, YouTubers and fanboy:

"Any" company launches a Live Service game always Online with microtransactions = "Garbage", "we don't want online games only", "we want offline single player with narrative", "cancer of the industry".

Sony launches Live Service always Online, without solo campaign, with microtransactions = "the game is very good, it doesn't matter that it's only online", "there's no need for a campaign", "microtransactions don't get in the way of the fun, buy whoever wants", " GOTY".

Well I'll say this, a coop game needs to be online. (Unless couch coop but I don't play those games unless they also have online coop)

But why should a coop game have a solo campaign?
I don't hate microtransactions if it's just skins, Helldivers 1 had dlc's that added OP items which I really didn't like.

But the games that are always online and are SP-games, that annoys me to no end....and yes I do own a few

And I'm far from a Sony fanboy, I don't care who develops or publishes a game, if the game is good, it's good, if it's bad...I don't buy it, or buy it but then stop playing it.

I'm generalizing the media and Youtubers (along with Sony fanboys who have always criticized Online games), they have always carried out hate campaigns against "live service" games, but strangely they are very silent about this game itself. I know coop games need to be online, I don't care about that.


The big question is? Live Service and microtransactions is bad for players and industry?

The answer is "it depends on the developer or brand"

[Cassidyshdw]

Nguyên văn bởi Mhick:

Summarizing the media, YouTubers and fanboy:

"Any" company launches a Live Service game always Online with microtransactions = "Garbage", "we don't want online games only", "we want offline single player with narrative", "cancer of the industry".

Sony launches Live Service always Online, without solo campaign, with microtransactions = "the game is very good, it doesn't matter that it's only online", "there's no need for a campaign", "microtransactions don't get in the way of the fun, buy whoever wants", " GOTY".

Yo william you are 30 get off discussions u have responsibilities. Only npcs care about that ♥♥♥♥- you want to play singleplayer game? you play singleplayer game. You want to play live service? you play live service. Noone is paying you for hating on games you dont intend to play.

Like seriously man there is like 20;1 ratio of single/live-service games. You have plenty to choose from if you dont want to play helldivers 2

[Itty Bitty Diddy]

Nguyên văn bởi Mhick:

Nguyên văn bởi Nick_Nolte's_Mugshot:

the silence is probably because the people who will be buying a game with the things you mentioned, like those things. i for example, am a huge live service enjoyer; so, what you see as a negative, i see as a positive.

So you're not one of the rabid dogs campaigning against GAAS? You are the minority.

I think you might be in the minority if you look at the actual facts of the matter, rather than going on your gut feeling or consuming your own propaganda. Most of the highest earning games are GAAS with microtransactions, many of them being mobile games. The people have spoken.

[Alecmoon]

Nguyên văn bởi Cassidyshdw:

Nguyên văn bởi Mhick:

Summarizing the media, YouTubers and fanboy:

"Any" company launches a Live Service game always Online with microtransactions = "Garbage", "we don't want online games only", "we want offline single player with narrative", "cancer of the industry".

Sony launches Live Service always Online, without solo campaign, with microtransactions = "the game is very good, it doesn't matter that it's only online", "there's no need for a campaign", "microtransactions don't get in the way of the fun, buy whoever wants", " GOTY".

Yo william you are 30 get off discussions u have responsibilities. Only npcs care about that ♥♥♥♥- you want to play singleplayer game? you play singleplayer game. You want to play live service? you play live service. Noone is paying you for hating on games you dont intend to play.

Like seriously man there is like 20;1 ratio of single/live-service games. You have plenty to choose from if you dont want to play helldivers 2

Dude, I already realized that you either didn't understand what I said. The problem is not the game itself, but the way it is treated differently by the media and Youtubers.
We've seen waves of HATE over several Live Services games in recent years, but strangely, all those voices have fallen silent.
I personally have played and like several games that were sold such as Live Service, The Division, Destiny 2, Outriders and others. I just think it's very hypocritical that they make all this noise against Live Service, until Sony launches one and everyone shuts up and forgets about all the problems they always use as arguments to talk bad about Live Service games.

And I'm 42, but I like to discuss and talk about games, is that a problem?

[Alecmoon]

Nguyên văn bởi Nick_Nolte's_Mugshot:

Nguyên văn bởi Mhick:

So you're not one of the rabid dogs campaigning against GAAS? You are the minority.

I think you might be in the minority if you look at the actual facts of the matter, rather than going on your gut feeling or consuming your own propaganda. Most of the highest earning games are GAAS with microtransactions, many of them being mobile games. The people have spoken.

I know. But these practices have always been viewed negatively on consoles and PC.

And I'm not the one who thinks Live Service is bad, in fact, it's irrelevant to me, I think most of you don't understand what I mean. I personally have nothing against Live Service, I even played and still play several. BUT my criticism is the massive campaign we see against Service games, but now, with Helldivers 2, there is no word, I even see websites reporting positively that the game already has post-game content to come out, and this has always been a reason for criticism. This is my discussion here, the hypocrisy of the media and influencers.

[hypehype]

Nguyên văn bởi Mhick:

I created this title as a provocation to point out the hypocrisy that has been going on when people talk badly about Live Services. I have nothing against it, I like Destiny, The Division and I recently finished Suicide Squad.
Now I want to see if the media and Youtubers will maintain the anti Live Service discourse with Helldivers 2.

no hypocrisy here, i don't buy games that have in-game purchase or battle pass in a buy-to-play game. it just shows the developers intent is to make the game as grindy as possible and to milk the customers.

Another live service game i skipped was exoprimal.


Call of Duty can be called a "live service" game because you need to be online to play multiplayer and it has DLC (another game i don't buy) .

All MMORPG are live service.

The issue people had with suicide side squad is the game is 90% single player
MMORPG are 100% only multiplayer
COD is 50% multiplayer, 50% single player.

Why does a game such as suicide squad need live service?

you are paying £60 for the game, then you will pay another £20 for skins?
why do i want to grind 20 hours for a 0.001% increase to weapon damage in a single player game?
do I really need that "extra" damage to have an advantage over redundant AI?

why is every suicide squad member using guns? i thought Deadshot was the gunslinger,
could it be they normalised/universalised the weapons and skills so it would be easier to make a grindy live service looter shooter???

The ISSUES people have is lives-service can be beneficial in a game where it is meant to be but it can HINDER a game where it should not be.

[DEIMOS-X1]

Nguyên văn bởi JG Wentsworth:

Helldivers had what, maybe 15k total players ever? The original was a pretty niche game on PC and only gained popularity due to sony/gaming site promotion then faded fairly quickly as well. They aren't shooting for the moon here. 99% of the people you see playing on launch day were already Helldiver fans to begin with so its safe to say there isn't much backlash to the business model because the small amount of fans are just happy to see a sequel.

this pretty much sums it up nicely

[Cassidyshdw]

Nguyên văn bởi Mhick:

Nguyên văn bởi Nick_Nolte's_Mugshot:

I think you might be in the minority if you look at the actual facts of the matter, rather than going on your gut feeling or consuming your own propaganda. Most of the highest earning games are GAAS with microtransactions, many of them being mobile games. The people have spoken.

I know. But these practices have always been viewed negatively on consoles and PC.

And I'm not the one who thinks Live Service is bad, in fact, it's irrelevant to me, I think most of you don't understand what I mean. I personally have nothing against Live Service, I even played and still play several. BUT my criticism is the massive campaign we see against Service games, but now, with Helldivers 2, there is no word, I even see websites reporting positively that the game already has post-game content to come out, and this has always been a reason for criticism. This is my discussion here, the hypocrisy of the media and influencers.

Because npcs that like to hate on things will watch their videos, and that way whoever make that video makes money. It's not rocket science. Helldivers is a niche game that started marketing campaign week before release, so none of those yt content farmers had have time to prepare for it

[Itty Bitty Diddy]

Nguyên văn bởi Mhick:

Nguyên văn bởi Nick_Nolte's_Mugshot:

I think you might be in the minority if you look at the actual facts of the matter, rather than going on your gut feeling or consuming your own propaganda. Most of the highest earning games are GAAS with microtransactions, many of them being mobile games. The people have spoken.

I know. But these practices have always been viewed negatively on consoles and PC.

And I'm not the one who thinks Live Service is bad, in fact, it's irrelevant to me, I think most of you don't understand what I mean. I personally have nothing against Live Service, I even played and still play several. BUT my criticism is the massive campaign we see against Service games, but now, with Helldivers 2, there is no word, I even see websites reporting positively that the game already has post-game content to come out, and this has always been a reason for criticism. This is my discussion here, the hypocrisy of the media and influencers.

They are less accepted on PC than on other platforms I'll agree with you there. I'm not a big fan of p2w games, but games as a service...mainly games that continue to develop and release new content that also have a cosmetic-oriented cash shop have never bothered me.

As for why HD2 may be getting less criticism? Probably just because it's not a huge title and really kinda came outta nowhere. I follow gaming news relatively closely and only heard about this sequel maybe 1-2 months ago. Maybe I just missed it.

[Khyras]

Rather have no campaign than some woke propaganda bs