What's with the aggressive anti-cheat?

[Sparky]

I know there are a lot of posts complaining about DRM but I get that DRM is a thing and lots of games make use of it. I'm just curious why such an invasive anti-cheat is being used in a co-op/pve exclusive game. I don't think you really need ring 0 access to stop people from wall-hacking AI insects. I don't think people would even notice.

Plus, putting third party root kits into a game just seems excessive in general. I also think this specific DRM will stop the steam deck from running this game, I could be wrong about that though.

EDIT: Rock and stone

[McDinglefart]

Yea. You put a risk bricking your PC because of this malware.
I work on my PC, and game on it. That's a big no from me.

[Vampire Detective]

It is very concerning.

With Deep Rock Galactic, which is also a co-op game, there is no anti-cheat. It isn't necessary. DRG has been well received and it has a great community. I have played 700 hours in DRG and I have encountered zero cheaters. I do not doubt there are cheaters in DRG, though. I have been lucky. There is also friendly fire, but the developers turned down FF so it cannot be abused.

Ultimately, it is up to the developers to use common sense. Ghost Ship Games is an excellent example of good devs that care about the best interest of users.

I am no expert on GameGuard, nor claim to be. Not here to fearmonger. If it installs a rootkit and it can brick your PC for various reasons, then no videogame is worth it. This is coming from someone that truly enjoyed Helldivers 1 and I bought all of those blasted DLCs..

[sharkrkk]

Originally posted by Vampire Detective:

It is very concerning.

With Deep Rock Galactic, which is also a co-op game, there is no anti-cheat. It isn't necessary. DRG has been well received and it has a great community. I have played 700 hours in DRG and I have encountered zero cheaters. I do not doubt there are cheaters in DRG, though. I have been lucky. There is also friendly fire, but the developers turned down FF so it cannot be abused.

Ultimately, it is up to the developers to use common sense. Ghost Ship Games is an excellent example of good devs that care about the best interest of users.

I am no expert on GameGuard, nor claim to be. Not here to fearmonger. If it installs a rootkit and it can brick your PC for various reasons, then no videogame is worth it. This is coming from someone that truly enjoyed Helldivers 1 and I bought all of those blasted DLCs..

Yes, DRG is perfect example. I have over almost 400 hours in that and I have never met a cheater. A rootkit anit-cheat for a PvE game is just ridiculously overkill

[Vampire Detective]

Originally posted by sharkrkk:

Originally posted by Vampire Detective:

It is very concerning.

With Deep Rock Galactic, which is also a co-op game, there is no anti-cheat. It isn't necessary. DRG has been well received and it has a great community. I have played 700 hours in DRG and I have encountered zero cheaters. I do not doubt there are cheaters in DRG, though. I have been lucky. There is also friendly fire, but the developers turned down FF so it cannot be abused.

Ultimately, it is up to the developers to use common sense. Ghost Ship Games is an excellent example of good devs that care about the best interest of users.

I am no expert on GameGuard, nor claim to be. Not here to fearmonger. If it installs a rootkit and it can brick your PC for various reasons, then no videogame is worth it. This is coming from someone that truly enjoyed Helldivers 1 and I bought all of those blasted DLCs..

Yes, DRG is perfect example. I have over almost 400 hours in that and I have never met a cheater. A rootkit anit-cheat for a PvE game is just ridiculously overkill

Rock and Stone, brother.

I couldn't agree more.

[McDinglefart]

Originally posted by sharkrkk:

Originally posted by Vampire Detective:

It is very concerning.

With Deep Rock Galactic, which is also a co-op game, there is no anti-cheat. It isn't necessary. DRG has been well received and it has a great community. I have played 700 hours in DRG and I have encountered zero cheaters. I do not doubt there are cheaters in DRG, though. I have been lucky. There is also friendly fire, but the developers turned down FF so it cannot be abused.

Ultimately, it is up to the developers to use common sense. Ghost Ship Games is an excellent example of good devs that care about the best interest of users.

I am no expert on GameGuard, nor claim to be. Not here to fearmonger. If it installs a rootkit and it can brick your PC for various reasons, then no videogame is worth it. This is coming from someone that truly enjoyed Helldivers 1 and I bought all of those blasted DLCs..

Yes, DRG is perfect example. I have over almost 400 hours in that and I have never met a cheater. A rootkit anit-cheat for a PvE game is just ridiculously overkill

It's not about cheaters. It's about delaying the piracy for as long as possible.

Funny thing is... These actions push for piracy. People are more trusting of cracked games with removed malwares like game guard.

Some will just pirate games to get superior gaming experience since some anticheats harms games performances.

[sharkrkk]

Originally posted by Kakas69:

Originally posted by sharkrkk:

Yes, DRG is perfect example. I have over almost 400 hours in that and I have never met a cheater. A rootkit anit-cheat for a PvE game is just ridiculously overkill

It's not about cheaters. It's about delaying the piracy for as long as possible.

Funny thing is... These actions push for piracy. People are more trusting of cracked games with removed malwares like game guard.

Some will just pirate games to get superior gaming experience since some anticheats harms games performances.

You may be right. But from what I remember reading gameguard is a kernel level anti-cheat only, and the online only part of the game is to counter the piracy. But again, I could be wrong and gameguard could probably do both.

[Sparky]

Originally posted by sharkrkk:

Originally posted by Vampire Detective:

It is very concerning.

With Deep Rock Galactic, which is also a co-op game, there is no anti-cheat. It isn't necessary. DRG has been well received and it has a great community. I have played 700 hours in DRG and I have encountered zero cheaters. I do not doubt there are cheaters in DRG, though. I have been lucky. There is also friendly fire, but the developers turned down FF so it cannot be abused.

Ultimately, it is up to the developers to use common sense. Ghost Ship Games is an excellent example of good devs that care about the best interest of users.

I am no expert on GameGuard, nor claim to be. Not here to fearmonger. If it installs a rootkit and it can brick your PC for various reasons, then no videogame is worth it. This is coming from someone that truly enjoyed Helldivers 1 and I bought all of those blasted DLCs..

Yes, DRG is perfect example. I have over almost 400 hours in that and I have never met a cheater. A rootkit anit-cheat for a PvE game is just ridiculously overkill

Rock and stone! I also have many hours on DRG

[Dans_Tip]

DRG wouldn't have an anti cheat because they don't have an ingame store they sell DLC's through Steam Directly, plus they let you mod the game by accepting their policy on modding. That being the reason they don't have an anti cheat and their are cheaters in the game, I've come across a few

[Hagon Wyvon]

Originally posted by Dans_Tip:

DRG wouldn't have an anti cheat because they don't have an ingame store they sell DLC's through Steam Directly, plus they let you mod the game by accepting their policy on modding. That being the reason they don't have an anti cheat and their are cheaters in the game, I've come across a few

I believe those are unlisted mods that bypass the verified check system, doing cheats that way is easier than making actual cheats.

Originally posted by sharkrkk:

Originally posted by Kakas69:

It's not about cheaters. It's about delaying the piracy for as long as possible.

Funny thing is... These actions push for piracy. People are more trusting of cracked games with removed malwares like game guard.

Some will just pirate games to get superior gaming experience since some anticheats harms games performances.

You may be right. But from what I remember reading gameguard is a kernel level anti-cheat only, and the online only part of the game is to counter the piracy. But again, I could be wrong and gameguard could probably do both.

Basically as I read from their post, they wanted an anti-cheat in their game since hd1, it's just now is their time to do it and GameGuard might caught their attention. The anti-cheat there not for crack/pirate but to make players not getting messed up progression by cheaters. I like grinding so getting my progression messed up by simply joining a match is truely annoying, that's understandable imo.