CV Haters - Sky Cancer

[Celtic Frost]

It is, without a doubt, the most complained of ship class I see in a battle. Mostly from DDs who don't like their ability to run around the map with impunity getting confounded by being spotted by planes.

Well Boohoo!

From a player who plays CVs a lot, and often gets complimented for it, I say, with absolute confidence, that the players who complain about CVs, are the dumbest, solo-player oriented players I have seen. They have no concept of 'team' support.

They hate CVs and therefore, do not seek to find a way to incorporate them into their efforts. They would rather see the whole team lose and blame the CV for it, rather than offer some other way of playing that utilizes the CVs strengths and protects it's weaknesses... which is exactly what the CV players are trying to do, or should be trying to do, for every other ship on their team.

So, in short, you CV haters are just plain dumb and poor sportsmen or sportswomen.

Good luck out there! My Attack Planes will finish you off more than you finish off my CV until you figure it out.

[Hiei]

I mean I kind of agree with you, but it could be worded a bit better.
Pretty much CV were op after rework but people don't give balance a chance and they're still suck on that.

[Lunacy]

Hide in smoke as gunboat "Cv spot for me"

[Guara Ookami]

CV haters arent dumb but they are actually right, El2Azer (Best CV player in the world for the post rework) and many other say they are OP and they prove their point, and so do i, i actually wonder how good of a player you are, i have 60%+ WR and light blue PR on my harkuyu (also 60+ games on it) , not only that but i am a very good with the tier 8 CVs overall.
I could go on on how about CV is OP and how i can prove it out be it damage or anything but given how you sound so narrow minded to accept your dear CV is too overpowered in the current state of the game its not worth the try.
Btw i do not advocate for the removal of CVs but i do agree with the general sentiment that they dont deserve to be as powerfull as they currently are.

[Straight White Male]

The biggest problem is when you have 2 CVs in a match and also both players that know wtf they are doing really wrecks anyone no matter how good they are in the other ships.
If there were a cap for one CV per match, I think it would be way better.

It would be great to have bigger battles of maybe 15 to 20 per side.......THEN 2 CVs would be needed.

[Jackson]

Publicado originalmente por Guara Ookami:

CV haters arent dumb but they are actually right, El2Azer (Best CV player in the world for the post rework) and many other say they are OP

They're only OP to him cause he's so good at them. They are definitely not OP. They don't even do as much damage as battleships, and, as a battleship, I've chased one down and sunk it a number of times. I even chased two and sunk two once... Although in that case, they ran to the same place together which was pretty stupid ;)

[Lunacy]

If you hate carriers you just play ships like Halland or Minotaur

[Boomer]

My favourite is being on a Tier 3 battleship with no AA and 2 carriers per team, not fun.

[konniainen]

Just came out of 3 matches with t6bb t8 carriers on every one. Guess no need to tell what ship damage farmers pick as target.

CV at its current state has no place in game. Get CV from matchmaking and you need to pray theyre about equal players or match is effed up totally. Needs to be skill based matchmaking for carriers or just removed

[StormhawkV]

Publicado originalmente por Jack:

They're only OP to him cause he's so good at them. They are definitely not OP. They don't even do as much damage as battleships, and, as a battleship, I've chased one down and sunk it a number of times. I even chased two and sunk two once... Although in that case, they ran to the same place together which was pretty stupid ;)

Ah, so they're balanced because you sunk a bad CV player? LOL

Here's an important distinction for you: CVs are OP because they don't have a damage potential/utility tradeoff like the other classes, they get both. The rest of their gameplay mechanics make them broken.

A BB is constrained by speed, maneuverability, limited engagement ranges. It needs a visual on a target, exposes itself to incoming fire, degrades over the course of battle. These things don't concern CVs. A cruiser who used its concealment to disengage from a BB is out of reach for said BB.

A CV just flies over to it and keeps attacking and even when that particular CV player is so bad that he can't deal any damage to the cruiser, the spotting will keep it lit, it's forced to evade the ordnance the CV keeps dropping which in return makes it vulnerable to the CV player's teammates.

CVs are basically setting up crossfires at will. This and the excessive spotting are the two big issues with the class. Not having the same average damage as BBs or most of the CV players being bad doesn't change anything.

In fact a bad player in a CV has a lot more influence on the outcome of a battle than in any other class because the chance that he gets himself killed early is much, much lower and even if he doesn't do a lot of damage he will 'accidentally' spot important targets and be more valuable.

WG knows this. They have spreadsheets proving CVs are overperforming like mad even before the removal of midrange flak in summer 2019. They showed them to us, we saw them. The only reason they don't do anything about it is the rework must not be a failure and everytime WG tried to balance CVs the playernumbers dropped to pre-rework levels.

[apophis37]

dont bother trying to reason with jack, he's the ultimate white knight on this forum. i have him ignored because he never admits to any flaw of WG.

[Guara Ookami]

Publicado originalmente por apophis37:

dont bother trying to reason with jack, he's the ultimate white knight on this forum. i have him ignored because he never admits to any flaw of WG.

Nah i like Jack he has his own opinion about it and he is a good friend, and he does dislike WG in other areas than the CV debate.

[Jackson]

Publicado originalmente por StormhawkV:

Publicado originalmente por Jack:

They're only OP to him cause he's so good at them. They are definitely not OP. They don't even do as much damage as battleships, and, as a battleship, I've chased one down and sunk it a number of times. I even chased two and sunk two once... Although in that case, they ran to the same place together which was pretty stupid ;)

Ah, so they're balanced because you sunk a bad CV player? LOL

No, they're not OP because I have no difficulty at all countering them. Nor do they often show up at the top of the xp lists. They're just another class of ships and are in a fine place.

[Boomer]

I will never accept carriers tbh. I can counter them just fine, its amount of game play they remove i don't like. Positioning basically means nothing with carriers in play. Everyone is highlighted and exposed, forcing players down a narrow road of tactics or be destroyed. If they remain as they are, fine. I'll deal but I'll be disappointed. But i feel there is actually wasted opportunity with them actually being there. Perhaps 2 different random modes would present a better way to play it.

[York]

oh for ♥♥♥♥♥ sake we have this discussion pop up again..................we have a rant one you know so vent there for gods sake.

but time to throw my helmet into the ring.

my thoughts on carriers have changed throughout the time i have played but it has always remained negative because i find they boring to play as and against (for example i like submarines as they are fun to play as but i admit they are awful to play against.)

my issue with CVs is that they don't interact well with each other and the surface player's interaction feels awful and i will quickly go through each now.

firstly CV vs CV combat is a null factor infact only two lines can reliably kill another CV that being KM and IJN CVs that bring either enough AP to kill a carrier or a good option for torpedos that can hit hard. So ignoring that CVs have to essencially ignore each other since it will be pretty much a one way trip we have fighters/interceptors or as i will put it you pick fighters because interceptors are useless since unless they have an ablity to be dropped independently from the squadron i.e you at a,1 you can open the map and drop at say c,6 they can not be used to preempt the attack without hovering around your team which removes the whole power of CVs being a spotter and a harasser who can move opponents into bad postions.

(my solution to the above make CVs much more dynamic with interceptors being a recharging tool that can be dropped to protect ships and redirect other CVs away from teammates or loose the squadron. with fighters being how they are as a spotter and back up for the team.)

now the surface ship interaction................i have no way to see this being fixed without making something entirely new maybe make flak player controlled where they fire out a burst themselves to give a feeling of control? (one idea i have is the DC being nerfed by a bit to say battleship/heavy cruiser levels still auto but much shorter. this would make carriers not so tanky when spotted.)

i don't like them but they are not the worst thing in the world.

[Ashardalon]

Publicado originalmente por Jack:

Publicado originalmente por StormhawkV:

Ah, so they're balanced because you sunk a bad CV player? LOL

No, they're not OP because I have no difficulty at all countering them. Nor do they often show up at the top of the xp lists. They're just another class of ships and are in a fine place.

you do realize they have an xp nerf to make it less obvious how broken they are
mid team CV actually scored about +25% of the top of the team