why are the characters so pretentious and stupid

[Bisquetz]

and like am i supposed to have any feelings for these fellow captured cops who i know nothing about? their characters are pretty much just female cop, senior cop, angry cop, and.... crazy cop? that scene where he shoots at nothing was ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hilarious lol

i got this game since some top reviews are saying that the plot is actually good, but holy ♥♥♥♥ it's just so bad... The villains feels like the writers want to make different kind of sociopaths just because they saw how successful they got with Vaas, not understanding why Vaas' character was even loved by fans.

k rant over. it's not like you play Far Cry for its writing but ♥♥♥♥ those top reviews who got me with their poor taste in story. thankfully the game itself is quite fun.

[-=SOF=-WID99]

no one cares if you do not get the story .. maybe do a lil reading about the game and its story
that they went for
https://gamervw.com/2018/05/27/the-hidden-story-of-far-cry-5/

+ there are tons of pages and vids about the game from the dev team on you tube

[Bisquetz]

Originally posted by -=SOF=-WID99:

no one cares if you do not get the story .. maybe do a lil reading about the game and its story
that they went for
https://gamervw.com/2018/05/27/the-hidden-story-of-far-cry-5/

+ there are tons of pages and vids about the game from the dev team on you tube

well i do wanna hear a good argument for it.

what you linked wasn't it, having "hidden meaning" from a known inspiration doesn't make it good. If anything it's just an excuse to force events that the writers themselves didn't think up by themselves... And it doesn't excuse that each antagonist feels pretentious, that the writing is bad, and that some scene feels really stupid.

Like, are there hidden meaning to the snot physics? are there hidden meaning behind the crazy cop shooting at pipes in a scene that takes a bit too long? and then there's the Bliss bullet...why capture you when every cult fanatics always want to kill you at sight in any other moment?

And I didn't grow attached to any of the character other than the sillier ones like Boomer or Cheeseburger, who ironically have no lines spoken. And it doesn't help that the 4 "siblings" who are supposed to be in the spotlight are the most pretentiously written characters in the game, especially Joseph.

♥♥♥♥ man. It's just so bad.

[smallen7]

Toss logic out the window and just enjoy the carnage. All the Seeds are doing their own "thing" and there's no continuity to their actions as a whole. John carves your "sin" and rips it off. Jacob "culls the herd" and Faith gets everyone so tripped out they have no will. These kids should get together and determine what it is, exactly, they want to achieve for their surviving community. I blame Joseph. The guy makes a feeble appearance every so often and that's it until the finale. I just like the FPS aspect and stealth kills.

[tramper]

Have you ever considered that it would be impossible to get the AI Intelligence to the point in games where you could actually feel a true affinity for the characters ?

Its a game, a first person shooter, it would disturb me if you said that you feel such sympathy or a bond with some of these characters, they're fictional.

I guess though some out there, base their lives on gaming characters and the gap between reality and fiction is pretty slim.

Just play it as a game, that's all its meant to be.

[Bisquetz]

Originally posted by smallen7:

Toss logic out the window and just enjoy the carnage

That's what i did. Sadly the writing just had me groan every now and then... 3 and 4 wasn't exactly masterpieces in terms of writing, but it had characters you can attach yourself to.

And at least 3 has the context of saving your close friends, girlfriend, and younger brother even if there was not much relationship build up beforehand... compared to that your fellow cops in 5 feels like they're just shoved in there. And any characters you *actually* build a relationship with in the game no longer matters once you've liberated their respective areas.

Originally posted by tramper:

Have you ever considered that it would be impossible to get the AI Intelligence to the point in games where you could actually feel a true affinity for the characters ?

what does AI have anything to do with this? And of course you can feel "true affinity" with these characters, people have been in love and feel empathy towards fictional characters since forever.

The fact of the matter is that i can understand why Vaas is such a psychopath and even feel a bit empty once you killed him and enters 3's end game, and i even wish for there to be an option to join Pagan Min's side in 4. I can feel this way about them because they're interestingly written and actually well acted.

Meanwhile, I feel nothing towards Joseph or his "siblings". They don't feel like characters, they all feel like actors. They're written so shallow just because the writers didn't do much with the inpiration they're drawn from.

At least we'll have an accomplished actor as the main antagonist in 6, let's just hope they won't butcher the writing.

[tramper]

AI controls how the characters react in a game, to you. to their surroundings.

[Bisquetz]

Originally posted by tramper:

AI controls how the characters react in a game, to you. to their surroundings.

???

what does that have anything to do with what i said?

[tramper]

Without interaction, you wouldn't have game would you ?, this is where AI comes in, without it, there would be nothing.

[Bisquetz]

Originally posted by tramper:

Without interaction, you wouldn't have game would you ?, this is where AI comes in, without it, there would be nothing.

i still don't get your point...

if they really don't care about story and characters then they could've just gone the DOOM 2016 path, where there's plot and characters but they made it clear that the character you're controlling doesn't even care. With how much forced cutscenes there are in Far Cry 5 it's obvious they care about trying to make you like these characters and the plot they presented.

Just to be clear: idc if you give no ♥♥♥♥ about the story or characters, but i do. But i do question your argument where AI is... somehow the problem here? you know that the characters in the cutscenes are all motion captured right?

[DivineLion]

its not that bad. but you should try out 3 or 4

[🎇TYPHOON🎇]

The game is great if you ignore the story. I play the game for the gameplay and skip all dialogue whenever possible. Then it's actually enjoyable.

[tramper]

Originally posted by Bisquetz:

Originally posted by tramper:

Without interaction, you wouldn't have game would you ?, this is where AI comes in, without it, there would be nothing.

i still don't get your point...

if they really don't care about story and characters then they could've just gone the DOOM 2016 path, where there's plot and characters but they made it clear that the character you're controlling doesn't even care. With how much forced cutscenes there are in Far Cry 5 it's obvious they care about trying to make you like these characters and the plot they presented.

Just to be clear: idc if you give no ♥♥♥♥ about the story or characters, but i do. But i do question your argument where AI is... somehow the problem here? you know that the characters in the cutscenes are all motion captured right?

Oh i do care, i love my gaming, have gamed since the early 90's, its just i realise its impossible to put human emotions into on screen character, so it is what it is, good or bad, right or wrong, you don't have to play any game you don't want, freedom of choice and no-one forced into buying the game.

Also if it bugs you that much write to the devs at Ubisoft.

[Bisquetz]

Originally posted by tramper:

its impossible to put human emotions into on screen character

a quick google search about the most beloved or most hated characters in video games will instantly prove how wrong you are about that.

not to mention that there's even a recent outrage about The Last of Us 2 because a certain beloved character from the first game was killed off so early into the story.

So yeah, putting human emotions on video game characters? totally impossible. tooootally

Also if it bugs you that much write to the devs at Ubisoft.

why should i? And hey if my rant bugs you so much i don't mind arguing more about how ♥♥♥♥♥♥ the writing is.

[tramper]

Originally posted by Bisquetz:

Originally posted by tramper:

its impossible to put human emotions into on screen character

a quick google search about the most beloved or most hated characters in video games will instantly prove how wrong you are about that.

not to mention that there's even a recent outrage about The Last of Us 2 because a certain beloved character from the first game was killed off so early into the story.

So yeah, putting human emotions on video game characters? totally impossible. tooootally :papyrus:

Also if it bugs you that much write to the devs at Ubisoft.

why should i? And hey if my rant bugs you so much i don't mind arguing more about how ♥♥♥♥♥♥ the writing is.

Ranting ? heard it all before, couldn't care less, happens all the time on these forums and no you can't put human emotions into npc's, because simply they're not real, i like playing them but i don't get emotionally attached to them, i know the line between reality and fictional.

Anyone can love a character, but they can't love you back, you can have perceived emotions, but real deep human emotion, nope.

[Bisquetz]

Originally posted by tramper:

Ranting ? heard it all before, couldn't care less, happens all the time on these forums

hey not saying you should care but you're the one who keep coming back here... and i'm saying i'm the one ranting about 5's ♥♥♥♥♥♥ writing. idk why you make it sounds like i'm insulting you by saying "ranting".

and no you can't put human emotions into npc's, because simply they're not real, i like playing them but i don't get emotionally attached to them, i know the line between reality and fictional.

oh you definitely can, people have proved this over and over again over the years.
Though it's really sad knowing that there's actually someone out there who really can't feel what a writer want to convey in a story they write.

Anyone can love a character, but they can't love you back

i'm starting to realize that we might have some sort of language barrier here... i'm guessing you don't actually write in english much if you think by "love" i meant the kind that a mother would feel for her son, because obviously that's not what i'm referring to.

you can have perceived emotions, but real deep human emotion, nope.

you're trying your best to sound deep and logical but failing really hard rn mate. all you managed to do is to sound shallow and stubborn.

The fact is that people have felt deep connections to characters who are either on movies, books, or video games. Your point that we somehow can't convey any human emotions is just undoubtedly wrong.