The Silver Bars paywall new game plus mode, why are people missing this?

[Trash Producer]

I consistently keep seeing people here in the forums discussing silver bars, mostly in a confused manner referring to them as "pointless". This has been bothering me a lot lately because I've recently started a new game to test if you can obtain more silver bars by reraiding outposts. You cannot. So here's the catch....

The silver bars are basically a way to paywall an expensive quasi "new game plus" mode which after starting a new game ANY prestige weapons, vehicles, or clothing bought with silver bars is instantly available at the respective shops, regardless of resistance level. There are ONLY 960 total silver bars in the vanilla game. This means you can buy 2 main weapons or 2 main vehicles at 400 bars a piece, or 4 side arms or 4 small vehicles at 200 bars a piece (or whatever combo of that you can come up with). After that if you wish to have more things unlocked at the beginning of a new game, you have to cough up cash for microtransactions. I would imagine you'd need quite a lot of bars to buy everything and be able to use all the prestige weapons clothes and vehicles on a new game.

Honestly this is a big disappointment to me especially because simple additions, like being able to use whichever weaponry and vehicles you earned in the last playthrough transferring over to the next, is standard fare for new game plus modes that have existed plenty of times before in games and for free no less. I wouldnt even mind so much if I could continue to find more silver bars in outposts from subsequent playthroughs of the game and earning all those prestige weapons from dedicating playtime into the gameplay loop, but that isnt possible atm. Not to mention mods for Far Cry 3 and 4 did away with the tiered weapon unlocks and it was one of the most freeing and fun things I've played in an open world action game. I expected this game to go along that route considering so much else has been opened up, but its honestly kinda regressed.

[SternLX]

You can earn more SB in weekly events. I'm currently sitting on 1200.

[Trash Producer]

Originally posted by SternLX:

You can earn more SB in weekly events. I'm currently sitting on 1200.

A measly 125 bars if you complete all five live event and arcade challenges, not to mention this completely ignores people who want to play offline or dont have constant connections to the internet. The small amount that they funnel to you for completing the stale chellenges, is really not very much. Furthermore the very existance of the silver bars is again, in essence, to block a more open experience on subsequent playthroughs, and you can either shell out 50 bucks to buy the biggest silver pack and get access to every prestige weapon/vehicle/piece of clothing at the start, or you can wait literally months and slog through the arcade and live events in order to obtain the same result. Reminder, shadow warrior 2's new game plus mode is entirely free, and its great

[Frostbringer]

The prestige items don't even give you that much of an advantage and are mostly simple skin upgrades. Buy a few with the easy to get silver bars, good to go. And each play-through rains in-game $$$ all over you, like it does with current causal game-play.

Can you or can you not earn more silver bars each time to start a new game?

If you can, that pretty much ruins your whole "MT Money Grabbing scheme" hysteria.

[Trash Producer]

No you cant, did you even read past the first sentence of my discussion? "This has been bothering me a lot lately because I've recently started a new game to test if you can obtain more silver bars by reraiding outposts. You cannot. "

The silver bars you find in outposts and a few other locations do not respawn when you start a new game. And yes, i know that statwise there is no difference in the prestige weapons and the normal weapons, thats not what their advantage is. Their advantage is that if you buy them with silver bars, they are free to use in any subsequent new games, while the rest of the stuff you bought with ingame cash resets. You dont have to buy them again, and they arent locked behind a resistance point limit. If you buy the AK with silver bars you can use it in a new game right away for instance, instead of 65 percent through the story

[NormireX]

This is a pointless thread as money is easy to get in game to buy the few weapons you may want plus whatever you have unlocked with silver bars.

There is absolutely nothing making you feel like buying silver bars, if you feel that way then that is a personal issue imo.

[Trash Producer]

Originally posted by NormireX:

This is a pointless thread as money is easy to get in game to buy the few weapons you may want plus whatever you have unlocked with silver bars.

There is absolutely nothing making you feel like buying silver bars, if you feel that way then that is a personal issue imo.

You get 960 total bars from the vanilla game and there are like 12 prestige weapons, a ton of clothes and like 10 prestige vehicles, and you can unlock like 2-4 of all those things with the supplied vanilla silver bars. Thats ridiculously weighted against playing the game fairly when you could pay 50 bucks and get 5000 bars, enough to unlock all the prestige items entirely.

They give you enough to buy a few prestige weapons so that when you finally do start a new game and realize that; a) your prestige items have carried over, and b) that the only way to earn any more silver bars is by doing the weekly grinds or buying a pack of bars, you're enticed to throw a few more dollars down to be able to have more things to play with at the start. That is a direct game effect that limits replayablity in favor of enforcing the restrictive resistance point lockouts on weapons and vehicles, and the only way to bypass that is with silver bars. Otherwise you are stuck with the same boring progression of weapons and vehicles every single time. I dont see the purpose in doing that and limiting a players fun, and doing it specifically in a way that works in tandem with microtransactions. Like I said before, this wouldnt be an issue for me if we could earn bars again in subsequent playthroughs of the main story, and not just arcade participation and live events. I wanted to play this game over a few times and amass bars and buy the few prestige weapons and vehicles i wanted that way, but they cant even let you do that.

[Reebo]

I'm not really sure what the issue is.

If I decided to play a game again, I bring no assumption that I'd get bonuses from my previous plays. Getting a few is spiffy. Expecting everything is just setting yourself up for dissappointment.

[Nite69]

I didn't even get the deluxe edition of the game which had all the extra stuff, and I got through the start just fine

[Trash Producer]

Originally posted by Reebo:

I'm not really sure what the issue is.

If I decided to play a game again, I bring no assumption that I'd get bonuses from my previous plays. Getting a few is spiffy. Expecting everything is just setting yourself up for dissappointment.

Perhaps if the ability to get more of those bonuses (enough to basically create a new game plus mode) wasnt tied to extra microtransaction currency I'd be with you, but thats not the case. When I beat Far Cry 3 and 4 I was fine with restarting and playing it a few times with the standard progression because there was no other option . With this, they've created an in game mechanic that allows you to retain items from previous playthroughs and then restricted it immensely by tying it to another currency other than in game cash. How do you not see that as an issue?

I see a lot of people asking Ubisoft for a new game plus mode, and you arent going to get it, because one of the core fundamentals of any new game plus mode is being able to have things from previous playthroughs. That mechanic is tied down by the small amount of silver bars you can get in the vanilla game, and the very slow rate they give silver bars out for weekly challenges, especially when compared to their XXL megapack for the game. They are essentially slowing down (or straight up stopping short if you play offline) your ability to retain prestige weapons for subsequent playthroughs because it will take you LITERALLY MONTHS to unlock everything legitimately, or you can basically just buy the whole game again through the 50 dollar silver pack and have new game plus mode right off the bat. They put in a feature that most game designers add in for free, ganked it, and then reinserted it back in the game and painted the small amount you can get for free as "spiffy". Meanwhile they are holding the rest of that content behind a wall made of silver bars, hoping you are tempted to buy a couple to get through to the bare minimum of prestige items you'd like to have open from the start of the game.

Luckily I havent felt tempted at all, and I'm definitely not going to drop any money on extra bars, I'm just disappointed that they would tout a neat feature to you like that and then keep its full expansiveness hidden behind immense waiting time or a paywall. What's the point of even giving the player just a few extra things if it only exists to serve as an ad for how much more open combat choices in vehicles and weapons would be at the beginning of a new game if only you bought their megapack? (thats a rhetorical question, the answer is that the point of them giving you a few weapons, only exists to serve as an ad) Sure I got two weapons i can use from the start now, but you also left a sour taste in my mouth because they showed they had the ability to give us a new game plus mode, and they didnt. They didnt even care to make silver bars respawnable, because that would make it less likely people buy bars.

[Trash Producer]

Originally posted by =EGC= _Nite_:

I didn't even get the deluxe edition of the game which had all the extra stuff, and I got through the start just fine

Its not about getting through the start being hard, or anything like that. I got through the game with loads of money too, and never had troubles buying ammo or weapons. My discussion is about what happens when you start a new game after having beat the game once already. Silver bars no longer spawn, and everything but your prestige items bought with silver bars goes away. This means that given enough silver bars, you could buy all the prestige items and have way more stuff unlocked right at the beginning of a new game. Just like new game plus mode in things like Shadow Warrior and others. My complaints about the silver bars has nothing to do with in game money or it somehow affecting your ability to buy stuff. My complaint is about how the bars allow you to bypass the resistance point locks on weapons such as the AK and Double Barreled shotgun, allowing you to play with those right off the bat as opposed to way later in the story when they unlock.

[Frostbringer]

Yep, I tend to not read through posts that are obviously rants about things that aren’t a huge impact to actual gameplay , like prestige weapons or gear.

So, all you want is the option to buy all the skins without needing to spend real money, basically only a concern if completionist, players that like to dress up in a primarily SP game, or ones that have little self control and buy silver bars to buy prettier pixels.

None issue for 96% of players.

Good luck on your “crusade for justice” for a “game-plus money free” option.

[Trash Producer]

Originally posted by Frostbringer:

Yep, I tend to not read through posts that are obviously rants about things that aren’t a huge impact to actual gameplay , like prestige weapons or gear.

So, all you want is the option to buy all the skins without needing to spend real money, basically only a concern if completionist, players that like to dress up in a primarily SP game, or ones that have little self control and buy silver bars to buy prettier pixels.

None issue for 96% of players.

Good luck on your “crusade for justice” for a “game-plus money free” option.

So you admit that you ignorantly skimmed through, deliberately misunderstood everything I said, and then backed out when I offered clear rebuttals and then reverted to "lol.i'm too cool for this" in essence because you are too lazy to actually read. Bravo sir. You are truly smart.

I never once said I was tempted to buy the bars, and again, you're painting them just as skins. They arent, they do more than just look pretty. They give you a game advantage and a more open experience on any subsequent game playthrough because they arent tied behind the resitance point lock and story progression, but go ahead and phrase my argument as "you're just a completionist who has no impulse control"

I have no desire to spend any money on the bars, especially after seeing that they exist purely to paywall a new game plus mode. I'm not going to support that, I'm sorry you're too dim to see that and instead literally misunderstood every point i made, as shown by your continued implication they are "just skins". Had you actually read what I said, you'd realize they arent, then again, you've already shown you lack the attention span to actually read.

[Crunchy[Daz]]

They are just skins. Thats it.

Your issue is that you're focusing on Silver Bars because you think microtransactions are stupid. You're completley ignoring the fact you gain more then enough cash in-game to buy what you want.

Who cares if you can use them in a new game or not. Its not like its gonna give anyone a super advantage, the game is easy enough you could beat the entire thing using a pistol.

[Trash Producer]

Originally posted by CrunchyDaz:

They are just skins. Thats it.

Your issue is that you're focusing on Silver Bars because you think microtransactions are stupid. You're completley ignoring the fact you gain more then enough cash in-game to buy what you want.

Who cares if you can use them in a new game or not. Its not like its gonna give anyone a super advantage, the game is easy enough you could beat the entire thing using a pistol.

Stop misphrasing my argument. I never once mentioned difficulty or in game cash once in my arguments. My complaint has nothing to do about how easy or hard the game is with or without bars, nor is it about how they relate to in game cash.Its about how they retain for later playthroughs and are instantly available for use at the first shop you find.

To answer your question about "who cares if you can use them in a new game" the answer is me and tons of other players asking for a new game plus mode. Are you really ignoring the possibility to have more ways to play the game when you wanna come back later and play it again? Having all the prestige items would mean that literally at the first shop you find in game, you'd have almost every useable vehicle and weapon at your disposable right away. Allowing you to go through all the missions and story again with whatever setups you want as opposed to the standard vanilla progression of unlocks. That is a new game plus mode, and currently the only way to engage in that is to buy silver bars and buy all the prestige weaponry. I cant put it any simpler. They arent skins, they stay unlocked in every new game, are instantly obtainable, and having them all would drastically change how you could play the game and story mode and approach each mission. You wouldnt be tied to always having to go from ARC to the Lever Action, to the AK as you go through the story, you could use whatever you want whenever, just like in a new game plus mode in other games.

[Pig Mac]

Is this entire thread about that silverbars is needed for anything, ever in the game,if you start a new game? Don't normal money work second time too?
Aren't you 'creative' enough to turn off the cloadsaves, keep the old save and do your (non)NG+ dry run without saving it to the cloud?

I never used silver for anything, I didn't even activly look for it as I don't give an F** about it?

This seems to be the new GTA V, the place where primate and their money are separated, as the lack of common sense since long left the room.

The second whiniest community ever on steam, even worse as there is nothing to get for real money here! (and the cheating isn't as blatant as far as I know)

I bought every peice crap you could buy in the game, for in-game money, just to see how they planned their microtransactions in this one.. and as 98% of the stuff I bought is things I don't even want to own, i have a hard time figuring out why the microtransactions are included?

Maybe just to prove that they don't matter at all- In GR:Wildlands, everything that weren't cosmetic, were a much worse version of the weapon, or a vehicle totally useless.

Yes there I spent some money on lootboxes, as the 'cosmetic' stuff sometimes actiually mattered (to me) when plaing coop you don't want to look like a random idiot, here you have no choice.
Male or female, try do get some clothing on that don't make you want to kill yourself when seeing it, and that's it.

Maybe they learned from the major flack they got from GRW lootboxes.. or maybe they just hold back. But right now the silver mean nothing!!
You can't even pay me 2xthe price to pay for any silver, as
1. There is nothing I want
2. There is nothing more I even can buy if I want to.
3. ..waiting for lootcrates, but people still will not buy it.