[HEAVY SPOILERS] So was Joseph Seed right??

[Mason]

I just finished the story mode, I resisted. Now I'm super confused on what just happened. he was right???

[Exparte]

He was right that the world was headed towards nuclear war yes, at least in Montana. It's not clear whether any bombs fell outside Montana's Hope County. Whether he was right in his methods for helping humanity survive is debatable.

[Tropicoll]

i mean why would bombs only fall in montana, it's fairly obvious it was the whole world. I think even the radio says bombs dropped in korea or something

[Exparte]

Originally posted by Peragreen:

i mean why would bombs only fall in montana, it's fairly obvious it was the whole world. I think even the radio says bombs dropped in korea or something

I missed the broadcast saying bombs dropped in Korea. Ok so I suppose there is nuclear war then. What about the rest of America? Anything to indicate bombs fell outside Montana?

[big stupid jellyfish]

Originally posted by Exparte:

Whether he was right in his methods for helping humanity survive is debatable.

It's really not. He was pure evil and didn't do anything that helped humanity survive, quite the opposite really. Because of him,a bunch of perfectly good bunkers got blown up, loads of people were murdered and all the preppers got driven out of their safe places.
Without him, there might have been a couple survivors who could rebuild. Now it's just him and the deputy,

[Exparte]

Originally posted by big stupid jellyfish:

Originally posted by Exparte:

Whether he was right in his methods for helping humanity survive is debatable.

It's really not. He was pure evil and didn't do anything that helped humanity survive, quite the opposite really. Because of him,a bunch of perfectly good bunkers got blown up, loads of people were murdered and all the preppers got driven out of their safe places.
Without him, there might have been a couple survivors who could rebuild. Now it's just him and the deputy,

Correction: Because of the DEPUTY/PC a bunch of bunkers got blown up.

They had several massive bunkers fully stocked and ready to go. The Seeds would have saved thousands of people they deemed strong. They were organized and prepared. The Deputy/PC applies personal morality judgements, deems the Seeds to be evil, and destroys them all thereby destroying thousands of lives and their chances at survival.

There is no doubt that the Seeds and all those Peggies would not only have survived but been able to rebuild. They had an incredible amount of organization and even slave labour forces in the form of Angels. Now, whether you or I wanted to live in the society they would've built is different issue.

[Loovoo]

If my memory is correct the radios said that bombs were dropped in New York, L.A, Washington D.C. and San Francisco. Bombs were also dropped in Moscow so it looks like nobody's safe.

[Mason]

So he was right then????

[Exparte]

Originally posted by mason689:

So he was right then????

Define right? Right as in morally justified in his methods or right as in the world was reaching a boiling point/nuclear war? Obviously, he was correct in his prediction that the world was on the brink of nuclear war but I think its not so clear he was right in his methods of trying to save humanity.

[Mason]

Right that god was talking to him and his plans were correct. Not right as in "predicting." But his view on god.

[big stupid jellyfish]

Originally posted by Exparte:

Correction: Because of the DEPUTY/PC a bunch of bunkers got blown up.

They had several massive bunkers fully stocked and ready to go. The Seeds would have saved thousands of people they deemed strong. They were organized and prepared. The Deputy/PC applies personal morality judgements, deems the Seeds to be evil, and destroys them all thereby destroying thousands of lives and their chances at survival.

There is no doubt that the Seeds and all those Peggies would not only have survived but been able to rebuild. They had an incredible amount of organization and even slave labour forces in the form of Angels. Now, whether you or I wanted to live in the society they would've built is different issue.

Nope. The deputy showed up in hope county as a reaction to Josephs kidnappings and the other crimes he was comitting. Joseph had like a dozen opportunities to kill the deputy and get back to 'saving' people, but he didn't. He let him keep going, because of.... reasons? Saving people clearly wasn't high on his priority list, the only thing Joseph cared about was brainwashing some random cop who is clearly resistant to that stuff.

[Exparte]

Originally posted by big stupid jellyfish:

Originally posted by Exparte:

Correction: Because of the DEPUTY/PC a bunch of bunkers got blown up.

They had several massive bunkers fully stocked and ready to go. The Seeds would have saved thousands of people they deemed strong. They were organized and prepared. The Deputy/PC applies personal morality judgements, deems the Seeds to be evil, and destroys them all thereby destroying thousands of lives and their chances at survival.

There is no doubt that the Seeds and all those Peggies would not only have survived but been able to rebuild. They had an incredible amount of organization and even slave labour forces in the form of Angels. Now, whether you or I wanted to live in the society they would've built is different issue.

Nope. The deputy showed up in hope county as a reaction to Josephs kidnappings and the other crimes he was comitting. Joseph had like a dozen opportunities to kill the deputy and get back to 'saving' people, but he didn't. He let him keep going, because of.... reasons? Saving people clearly wasn't high on his priority list, the only thing Joseph cared about was brainwashing some random cop who is clearly resistant to that stuff.

Saving people wasn't high on Joe Seed's list? Please explain that theory as it's a new one to me.

[big stupid jellyfish]

Originally posted by Exparte:

Originally posted by big stupid jellyfish:

Nope. The deputy showed up in hope county as a reaction to Josephs kidnappings and the other crimes he was comitting. Joseph had like a dozen opportunities to kill the deputy and get back to 'saving' people, but he didn't. He let him keep going, because of.... reasons? Saving people clearly wasn't high on his priority list, the only thing Joseph cared about was brainwashing some random cop who is clearly resistant to that stuff.

Saving people wasn't high on Joe Seed's list? Please explain that theory as it's a new one to me.

The psychopath who is running a murder cult isn't big on saving people. It's shocking, i know.

[⛧мᴿвᴼzᴬcᴷ⛧]

You're all too quick to judge. When you hear the voice too - you'll do the same.
Blasphemers.

Only the weak and those who resisted were culled.

[Dahak]

His methods of 'saving' people wouldn't have worked anyway. Those bunkers would have torn themselves apart at the first real problem. Overly controled societies don't handle things that aren't planned for well. Each of those bunkers would fail anyway simply because their leaders are psychopaths.

John Seed: Gets off on torturing people for fun. Destroys people's ability to reason with torture. His would probably fall first simply because he is totally incapable of leadership.

Jacob Seed: His control methods rob people of their ability to reason and turns them into murderbots. Being locked in a bunker with murderbots for a couple decades seems totally safe. I mean that conditioning will be 100% for that long right?

Faith: Totally reliant on the bliss wich makes people into zombies. Zombies are mildly OK for menial labor like hauling stuff and maybe farm work (though honestly I bet they are worse than dedicated people with their brains intact). The problem with zombies; they can't think around problems and have no real motivation. The angels need to be directed to do things or they do nothing. If you have ever worked with people who do nothing until they are told to, you know what a problem that is.

Over all, even if the bunkers weren't stuffed with totally ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ insane psychos just waiting for the right trigger to explode, Joseph was an idiot for trying to build his bunkers in a remote valley in Montana. In a nuclear winter Montana is a glacier again. Good farming on glaciers. Yep. Totally good farming. So no ability to get food in the endless snows, nothing to hunt because nothing survives on a radioactive snowscape, surrounded by mountains after 10 years of nuclear winter (meaning the passes are shut so you can't leave) and running out of resources. Yep, I am sure Joseph's happy family will do just fine.

[Syntax Error]

Originally posted by Exparte:

Correction: Because of the DEPUTY/PC a bunch of bunkers got blown up.

Nah. Seed could have made his bunkers without the whole murder/torture/kidnapping thing. And Seed killed or kidnapped numerous families who already had their own bunkers. And there was no where remotely near "thousands" of people to fill those bunkers.