DENUVO?

[lucastolrezende]

The game will have the DENUVO DRM?

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Yes and possible VMProtect , just like Assassins Creed Origins.

[OKMB]

Yes.
And it does nothing but stop them for a few days, before they get a superior version of the game.

Glad to know Ubisoft truly cares about us PC players.

[FentanylWallaby]

denuvo and uplay..
what the ♥♥♥♥ are they thinking?

[Quagimus Decimus]

Originally posted by Delta5931:

Yes.
And it does nothing but stop them for a few days, before they get a superior version of the game.

Glad to know Ubisoft truly cares about us PC players.

meh I doubt it's going to be a few days.. it's no denuvo on it's own.. it took them months to crack ACO.. so we can expect the same route.
If you're expecting to play this day one.. don't.

[OKMB]

Originally posted by Krieger The Kebab Hunter:

Originally posted by Delta5931:

Yes.
And it does nothing but stop them for a few days, before they get a superior version of the game.

Glad to know Ubisoft truly cares about us PC players.

meh I doubt it's going to be a few days.. it's no denuvo on it's own.. it took them months to crack ACO.. so we can expect the same route.
If you're expecting to play this day one.. don't.

If it's the exact same protection, I'd cut the time it took for them to figure out ACO in half, at most.
Regardless, I'm not going to participate in that. I'll wait for Denuvo to cost them enough sales that they'll remove it for the good of paying customers.

See ya in 2090.

[Quagimus Decimus]

Originally posted by Delta5931:

Originally posted by Krieger The Kebab Hunter:

meh I doubt it's going to be a few days.. it's no denuvo on it's own.. it took them months to crack ACO.. so we can expect the same route.
If you're expecting to play this day one.. don't.

If it's the exact same protection, I'd cut the time it took for them to figure out ACO in half, at most.
Regardless, I'm not going to participate in that. I'll wait for Denuvo to cost them enough sales that they'll remove it for the good of paying customers.

See ya in 2090.

Except when they crack something.. that protection gets patched.. and harder to break until.. so no it doesn't cut the time in half. I don't do reverse engineering, but I imagine it's something not trivial to break often when you have multiple orifices that change their protection versions.

But.. anyways.. See ya space cowboy :3

[Quagimus Decimus]

Originally posted by Eisberg:

Originally posted by The Unstoppable Koala:

denuvo and uplay..
what the ♥♥♥♥ are they thinking?

Actually it most likely will be : VMProtect + Denuvo + Uplay
If you buy from Steam it will most likely be VMProtect + Denuvo + Uplay + Steam DRM.
DRMception

Though it is kind of funny, Denuvo is based on VMProtect, so it is essentially 2 forms of VMProtect plus the others to "protect" a game.

Actually no.. Steam wouldn't be apart of the :salt:
When it comes to "most" steam games that use uplay.. they forward the purchase licence to the uplay client.. all you end up with is installing a uplay launcher/game.. you just remotely launch uplay through steam.. there is no steam drm.

[Quagimus Decimus]

Originally posted by Eisberg:

Originally posted by Krieger The Kebab Hunter:

Actually no.. Steam wouldn't be apart of the :salt:
When it comes to "most" steam games that use uplay.. they forward the purchase licence to the uplay client.. all you end up with is installing a uplay launcher/game.. you just remotely launch uplay through steam.. there is no steam drm.

You seem to be wrong in that
https://steamcommunity.com/app/582160/discussions/0/1489992713709499064/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/582160/discussions/0/1480982971167500866/
https://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1781824-Question-Play-the-game-without-Steam-Uplay-only-Forums

Also it launches Steam when I go to play Trials Fusion through the Uplay client, even when I try to install the game through the Uplay client it launches Steam to do it.

If it launches steam, that means Steam DRM is being used. If it requires Steam to be running, that means is is using Steam for the DRM.

I don't think you comprehended what i said.. again.

You're launching through steam.. therefore you would need it.. but it isn't another layer of DRM.. it's just launching from steam to start the uplay client/content... not complicated.

If you wanted to launch the game directly from uplay you would buy it on their platform.. if you wanted to track time.. and god knows what else you would use the steam framework.. simple.

[Quagimus Decimus]

Originally posted by Eisberg:

Originally posted by Krieger The Kebab Hunter:

I don't think you comprehended what i said.. again.

You're launching through steam.. therefore you would need it.. but it isn't another layer of DRM.. it's just launching from steam to start the uplay client/content... not complicated.

If you wanted to launch the game directly from uplay you would buy it on their platform.. if you wanted to track time.. and god knows what else you would use the steam framework.. simple.

If it is requiring Steam to be running, then it has Steam DRM attached to it. Only with Steam DRM does Steam launch with a game. If a game does not have Steam DRM on it, then it would not launch with the game.

Launch the game. Then alt tab out, and completely close down Steam (No Steam processes running at all), and watch the game also stop working. That is what happens with Trials Fusion.

How are you an IT guy seriously... simple software protocol here man.. simple. You're launching from steam with their framework.. steam isn't the digital rights management.. uplay is.. you're just using steam as the launcher with their framework attached to it.. uplay holds the drm. When you decide to refund the game.. through steam it also voids your uplay licence.. so simple. You don't refund the game only on steam.. and get to play on your uplay account still.. so basic man so basic...Steam just acts as a reseller when it comes to uplay games.. EA's origin didn't want to deal with the amount of fraud on steam therefore you don't see many origin framework games on steam.. if any.

[Syncroniam]

There's nothing wrong with DRM, unless you're one of those whiteknight tinfoil weirdos that care about those stuff.

[Quagimus Decimus]

Originally posted by Eisberg:

Originally posted by Krieger The Kebab Hunter:

How are you an IT guy seriously... simple software protocol here man.. simple. You're launching from steam with their framework.. steam isn't the digital rights management.. uplay is.. you're just using steam as the launcher with their framework attached to it.. uplay holds the drm. When you decide to refund the game.. through steam it also voids your uplay licence.. so simple. You don't refund the game only on steam.. and get to play on your uplay account still.. so basic man so basic...Steam just acts as a reseller when it comes to uplay games.. EA's origin didn't want to deal with the amount of fraud on steam therefore you don't see many origin framework games on steam.. if any.

If a game requires Steam to be running to be played and to keep on playing, then it is using Steam DRM.
When a game can be played without Steam running, then it is not using Steam DRM.

if Steam was not being used for another layer of DRM, then the game would be playable without Steam running.

That is how simple it is. There is nothing else on Steam that forces Steam to be running when a game is running other than Steam DRM.

Ubisoft places the customized package of FC5/ACO w/e onto steam.. with steam's framework built into their package.. A normal game that doesn't have the api could launch without steam running.. literally while still being a steam purchased game.. not hard man.. so simple yet you make it into a huge deal.

[Quagimus Decimus]

Originally posted by Eisberg:

Originally posted by Krieger The Kebab Hunter:

Ubisoft places the customized package of FC5/ACO w/e onto steam.. with steam's framework built into their package.. A normal game that doesn't have the api could launch without steam running.. literally while still being a steam purchased game.. not hard man.. so simple yet you make it into a huge deal.

wow, you really do not get it, logic is completely lost on you.

Simply put you are wrong, and no amount of logic and facts will change your mind... but what can we expect from someone that thinks that Indians from India can use remote protocols to physically setup hardware into cabinets, run cables, run power, do hardware upgrades, do hardware repairs, be onsite in the US instantly from India, and do initial config setups that cannot be done remotely, and so much more that requires physical presence with the hardware?

I can literally go to one of many steam games I have installed to their root folder.. and launch them without needing steam running... literally. (You won't track your time on steam when you do this)

The only reason you still need steam active when you launch a uplay based game is because of how they packaged their game on steam.. literally. Without their framework used to launch their uplay authorization api you wouldn't even need steam running... in the first place.. it has nothing to do with steam drm.. it's how ubi created their package you install on steam.. oy vey..

[Quagimus Decimus]

Originally posted by Eisberg:

Originally posted by Krieger The Kebab Hunter:

I can literally go to one of many steam games I have installed to their root folder.. and launch them without needing steam running... literally. (You won't track your time on steam when you do this)

The only reason you still need steam active when you launch a uplay based game is because of how they packaged their game on steam.. literally. Without their framework used to launch their uplay authorization api you wouldn't even need steam running... in the first place.. it has nothing to do with steam drm.. it's how ubi created their package you install on steam.. oy vey..

Yeah, they packaged it with Steam Framework and chosen to include the Steam DRM as well which is an optional part of Steam Framework.
If it requires Steam to be running, it is because they are using Steam DRM.

You can launch the game through uplay.. without having to launch it through steam when you have the game installed.. oy vey. Steam has to be running.. but you can launch it through either.. and steam won't track your game time when you decide to launch it through uplay.. so tell me how their package is using steam's anti-piracy protection exactly?

[Quagimus Decimus]

Originally posted by Eisberg:

Originally posted by Krieger The Kebab Hunter:

You can launch the game through uplay.. without having to launch it through steam when you have the game installed.. oy vey. Steam has to be running.. but you can through either.. and steam won't track your game when you launch it through uplay.. so tell me how their package is using steam's anti-piracy protection exactly?

If you have the game for Steam. If you have Steam not running at all, and if you try to run the game through Uplay, it will Launch Steam for you and then you can play. If you turn off the Steam processes while you are playing the game, it will also stop the game and will not run till you start up Steam again.

If you launch the game through Steam, without uplay running, it will launch Uplay before it will run the game. If you try to launch through Uplay without Steam running, it will launch Steam before it will run the game.

If Steam DRM was not on the game, it would not require Steam to be running at all, it would simply launch through Uplay only. If it wasn't use Steam for DRM, it would also keep running if you stopped teh Steam processes.

Thing is when they "crack" the game.. they don't crack steam protection.. they crack denuvo and vmprotect.. think about that for a moment.

[OKMB]

Originally posted by Syncroniam:

There's nothing wrong with DRM, unless you're one of those whiteknight tinfoil weirdos that care about those stuff.

Well, that's not true. There are many reports of ACO running like absolute rubbish because the DRM is so heavy that it causes the system to run slower to accommodate it. Whether that's true, who knows.

The reason I hate Denuvo:
A) It doesn't work
B) It requires an always online connection, which means that if Denuvo's servers go down, or your internet goes down, say goodbye to your ability to play the game until you can connect to the Denuvo servers (this has been confirmed many times over)
C) Denuvo won't tell me how it does it what it does. Which worries me. I'm not going to put software like Denuvo on my system if I don't know exactly what it does.